If she had been drunk, flipped her car in a lake, and left her LIVE passenger in the car to drown rather than saving her... then she'd be who? Oh wait, that was Teddy Kennedy! She was 17 years old and made a mistake. No reports of drinking involved and no charges were filed.

 

Yeah well her carelessness took a young man's life.

As for Teddy; F him.

 

So if Teddy were married to George W. (because the people in this country are ok with this now) then you would acknowlege that not only was he careless, he was drunk and didn't even attempt to save his female passengers life?

Or, is her carelessness relevent because she's married to a president you don't like?

If you look at both circumstances side by side, are they the same thing?

 

I can't agree with you more, that's why I find it offensive for someone like chris1450 ( aka , armchair warrior ) when he can say that "you" are "winning the war".

Easy to say when your glued to a computer monitor thousands of miles away.

Great points and you seem like a very intelligent person, so let me ask you this:

What about all the innocent lives ( kids, mothers, fathers ) lost by other countries other than the US? And by that I also include the middle east countries which these wars are taking place. You have to realize, the US ISN"T the only nation effected by this war.....

Right oh, and your last sentence speaks volumes.

Only because your lead to believe or told "your" winning. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I see the points your making, and like I have stated, I have no problem, and commend patriotism.

But facts are facts, what has really changed in the past 7 or so years since "we" have gone to war against terrorism?

 

I mentioned the fact as a side note irregardless of whether I like W.

 

I'll tell you what's changed... No terrorist attacks on US soil!!!

 

Which really had NOTHING to do with going to war overseas. Can you say "hightened sercurity (sp?)"?

 

Heightened security has kept us safe in America. What caused us to have better security. Was it terrorism, 9/11, radical islam, Al Qaeda, etc? You say none of this has to do with us going to war. It was all Bush's lies that convinced everyone who voted to go to war. It was Sadam's use of chemical weapons on his own people or his threats to neighboring countries. It was all about oil. All the documents that pointed to Sadam's attrocities as a dictator were hand forged by Bush. LIES LIES LIES; it was all lies.

 

i gave bush the benefit of the doubt on iraq. first it was weapons mass destruction ..then it was making the people of iraq free and making a democracy. every week it was a different spin. were there now and things seem to be getting better which is of course good news. i ask though.. how many of the hardcore bush war supporters wanted to free to iraquis on sept 12 2001??

 

I served my time in the Air Force. I am to old to go back. But with all honesty, if they would take me I would go. Not a problem at all. I really do believe in the mission we have in the middle east. In fact we haven't gone far enough as far as I am concerned.

 

We Americans ARE winning the war against terrorism, no thanks to the American liberal media. You soak that up apparently. So I am supposed to fall in line with you and say Americans are loosing the war on terror? Then you won't find me so offensive?
So your saying that we Americans are killing civilians and little kids? Never before in history has so much effort gone into keeping innocents safe. And we Americans are doing a damn good job of it. War is ugly. No one wants war. But it is needed at this point. And we Americans are doing a fine job of it. I am not saying that there haven't been some mismanagement of things a couple of years ago. You tell me what war hasn't had any mistakes. Point is, we are killing the enemy. They aren't killing us in America right now. A stable democracy in the middle east is very important. I would love it if you can explain to me how a democracy over there is a bad thing.
Did you know that less than 2% of Americans can even name a service member? The military is a lot smaller than before. It is a volentier service. It doesn't affect many people. So to be outraged by our presense there because of lost lives turns pretty silly to me. Most of those people don't have family members there.
Everyone is outraged at the American deaths in Iraq. And every one is a tragedy. And every one is a hero. But the fact is, there are fewer deaths over there than there was during the clinton administration when we weren't at war. And don't even talk to me about patriotism.

 

Did Iraq ask to be a Democracy?

 

Im sure the citizens would take anything over what they had

 

Are you serious? Saddam Hussein didn't Kill 655,000 Of his Own People!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

BALTIMORE, Maryland (CNN) -- War has wiped out about 655,000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the U.S.-led invasion, a new study reports.

Violence including gunfire and bombs caused the majority of deaths but thousands of people died from worsening health and environmental conditions directly related to the conflict that began in 2003, U.S. and Iraqi public health researchers said.

 

My brother is in Iraq, going on a little over a year. I planned on coming in here and giving my opinion, instead I just want to agree with everything Wittom has said.


SMIGGS,
The war does affect the number of attacks here... Fighting a war sucks resources these terrorist cells don't really have. The fight is going to happen, better their soil than ours