End of Global Warming??
Originally Posted by chris1450
fact of the matter is that the current warming "trend" ended in 1998... it has been getting cooler sense. Dang it... I was hoping for some more warming.
"fact of the Matter"???
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
Anyway,
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
Originally Posted by BHibbs
"fact of the Matter"???
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
That’s right you left wing, tree hugging pacifists, just like the byline says “4.5 billion years of existence – 100 years of data” ……. Disputed data! You self loathing, holier than thou, feel good pontificators need to wake up and GET A LIFE!
“Global Warming” your new politically correct, scare the hell out of the uniformed, make YOU feel good cause, is nothing more than humanity taking it’s course! Do you really think that you’re so significant that wearing Birkinstocks and driving a gutless hybrid will make the world a better place – WAKE UP and smell the carbon!!!
What you’re witnessing is man’s natural evolution and if you think a little man made carbon is going to destroy the planet you’ve got another thing coming! You wussy, sky is falling alarmists need a cause celeb to validate your existence, and unfortunately for the sane in this country Global Warming is it! Click this...
http://globalwarmingisbs.com/images/heston.mp3
“Global Warming” your new politically correct, scare the hell out of the uniformed, make YOU feel good cause, is nothing more than humanity taking it’s course! Do you really think that you’re so significant that wearing Birkinstocks and driving a gutless hybrid will make the world a better place – WAKE UP and smell the carbon!!!
What you’re witnessing is man’s natural evolution and if you think a little man made carbon is going to destroy the planet you’ve got another thing coming! You wussy, sky is falling alarmists need a cause celeb to validate your existence, and unfortunately for the sane in this country Global Warming is it! Click this...
http://globalwarmingisbs.com/images/heston.mp3
Last edited by Daveg99; Feb 27, 2008 at 10:24 PM.
some more...
1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming
FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.
2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die
FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn't reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.
3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high).
FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind's help.
4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate.
FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!
5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth.
FACT A report in the journal 'Science' in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What's more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.
6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet
FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.
7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through 'global warming'
FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.
8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes.
FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are 'just another tax' on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.
1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming
FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.
2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die
FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn't reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.
3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high).
FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind's help.
4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate.
FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!
5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth.
FACT A report in the journal 'Science' in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What's more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.
6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet
FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.
7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through 'global warming'
FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.
8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes.
FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are 'just another tax' on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.
9 MYTH Scientists on the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issue reports that say 'global warming' is real and that we must do something now.
FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings.
The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.
10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true.
FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.
Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public ... as H L Mencken said "the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" ... the desire to save the world usually fronts a desire to rule it.
FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings.
The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.
10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true.
FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.
Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public ... as H L Mencken said "the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" ... the desire to save the world usually fronts a desire to rule it.
Originally Posted by Daveg99
That’s right you left wing, tree hugging pacifists, just like the byline says “4.5 billion years of existence – 100 years of data” ……. Disputed data! You self loathing, holier than thou, feel good pontificators need to wake up and GET A LIFE!
“Global Warming” your new politically correct, scare the hell out of the uniformed, make YOU feel good cause, is nothing more than humanity taking it’s course! Do you really think that you’re so significant that wearing Birkinstocks and driving a gutless hybrid will make the world a better place – WAKE UP and smell the carbon!!!
What you’re witnessing is man’s natural evolution and if you think a little man made carbon is going to destroy the planet you’ve got another thing coming! You wussy, sky is falling alarmists need a cause celeb to validate your existence, and unfortunately for the sane in this country Global Warming is it! Click this...
http://globalwarmingisbs.com/images/heston.mp3
“Global Warming” your new politically correct, scare the hell out of the uniformed, make YOU feel good cause, is nothing more than humanity taking it’s course! Do you really think that you’re so significant that wearing Birkinstocks and driving a gutless hybrid will make the world a better place – WAKE UP and smell the carbon!!!
What you’re witnessing is man’s natural evolution and if you think a little man made carbon is going to destroy the planet you’ve got another thing coming! You wussy, sky is falling alarmists need a cause celeb to validate your existence, and unfortunately for the sane in this country Global Warming is it! Click this...
http://globalwarmingisbs.com/images/heston.mp3

Oh yea, Global warming isn't just for "Tree Huggers" any more. George Bush, Newt Gingrich, etc. All have accepted it.
No offense, but I think I'm gonna go with NASA on this one...
Last edited by BHibbs; Feb 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM.
Originally Posted by BHibbs
"fact of the Matter"???
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
Anyway,
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
Anyway,
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
Originally Posted by BHibbs
"fact of the Matter"???
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
Anyway,
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.
2007 tied as hottest year on record since 1998
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/01...ear-on-record/
(before 2007) The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA
All in all, the 8 warmest years have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years since 1990.
Anyway,
I've heard the "theory" that if the world heats too much it could dramatically alter the Ocean's currents and cause more irregular/DRAMATIC winters and weather...
This is a Theory, unlike Global Warming which is now accepted to be FACT.


I think those few are enough to realize the data they're using from the US may be just a little skewed.
Here's their own rules on where to place the temp sensor. Many of the ones on that site fail the "100ft from concrete or pavement" rule. Then you have the ones next to brick walls, air conditioner exhausts, etc etc.
Temperature sensor siting: The sensor should be mounted 5 feet +/- 1 foot above the ground. The ground over which the shelter [radiation] is located should be typical of the surrounding area. A level, open clearing is desirable so the thermometers are freely ventilated by air flow. Do not install the sensor on a steep slope or in a sheltered hollow unless it is typical of the area or unless data from that type of site are desired. When possible, the shelter should be no closer than four times the height of any obstruction (tree, fence, building, etc.). The sensor should be at least 100 feet from any paved or concrete surface.
I think this vid explains it all.
http://www.maniacworld.com/Conspiracy-of-Science.html
We're still growing.
http://www.maniacworld.com/Conspiracy-of-Science.html
We're still growing.



Just kidding I yank trees out of the ground with the truck though
