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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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Those liquid cooled machines definately have some OC potential. Don't discount the capabilities of air though. Here's a guy from Overclockers.com who must have part ownership in ThermalRight:

If I'm not mistaken that is liquid cooling, but not water cooling. It's using heat pipe technology which is a fluid inside those pipes that transports the heat away turning into a gas which cools in the heat exchanger returning back to the heat source through capillary action. No noise, no pump needed. I sure don't want to work on it though.
 

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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MeanGene
If I'm not mistaken that is liquid cooling, but not water cooling. It's using heat pipe technology which is a fluid inside those pipes that transports the heat away turning into a gas which cools in the heat exchanger returning back to the heat source through capillary action. No noise, no pump needed. I sure don't want to work on it though.
No. It's aircooling. Heatpipes aren't all necessarily filled with a liquid of any type. Liquid cooling requires coolant being pumped through a closed loop. For it to be considered liquid cooling, you need tubing, a pump, a heatsink of some sort, a radiator, FLOWING liquid, and a closed loop. All of those coolers are missing 3 things out of 6 things. If you go to any online PC store all of those items will be under the Air Coolers category.
 

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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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heat pipe's are still considered air cooling.... you still got big ol heatsinks
 
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by styxnpicks
heat pipe's are still considered air cooling.... you still got big ol heatsinks
You can call it what you want they still have fluid in them that transports the heat away from the source, without the fluid they would be a lot less affective. Semantics. Also, most water cooling systems have a radiator that uses air flow to cool the liquid; they are all kind of dependant on each other. I think it makes more since to have the heatsink or heat exchanger as far away from the souce as possible, outside the case, if possible.
 

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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Arca_ex
No. It's aircooling. Heatpipes aren't all necessarily filled with a liquid of any type. Liquid cooling requires coolant being pumped through a closed loop. For it to be considered liquid cooling, you need tubing, a pump, a heatsink of some sort, a radiator, FLOWING liquid, and a closed loop. All of those coolers are missing 3 things out of 6 things. If you go to any online PC store all of those items will be under the Air Coolers category.
I agree with the commonly used terminology, but technically the Heat pipes you are looking at do satisfy all of your requirements for liquid cooling. There is tubing although it is metal, it does have a pump - capillary action, the heat sink is a radiator and they do have a liquid flowing in a closed loop. They just call it something different.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Arca_ex
No. It's aircooling. Heatpipes aren't all necessarily filled with a liquid of any type. Liquid cooling requires coolant being pumped through a closed loop. For it to be considered liquid cooling, you need tubing, a pump, a heatsink of some sort, a radiator, FLOWING liquid, and a closed loop. All of those coolers are missing 3 things out of 6 things. If you go to any online PC store all of those items will be under the Air Coolers category.
No.
It's actually a combination of liquid and air cooling that makes it work properly, and there IS a liquid in the pipe ("working fluid"). It's not the conventional liquid cooling that you experience at the computer store, however it can be as efficient as water cooling-- and silent to boot... since you don't need a pump, nor a fan (provided the heatsink can handle the load).


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I agree with the commonly used terminology, but technically the Heat pipes you are looking at do satisfy all of your requirements for liquid cooling. There is tubing although it is metal, it does have a pump - capillary action, the heat sink is a radiator and they do have a liquid flowing in a closed loop. They just call it something different.
Yep.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 06:31 AM
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It's really a silly debate. Just because this type of air cooling has borrowed some technology from the liquid cooling world, I am pretty sure that if I claimed I had a liquid cooled rig, that would be misleading. My CPU cooler and my ram both have heatpipes, but I will have to say that the machine is air cooled if asked.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 1muddytruck
It's really a silly debate. Just because this type of air cooling has borrowed some technology from the liquid cooling world, I am pretty sure that if I claimed I had a liquid cooled rig, that would be misleading. My CPU cooler and my ram both have heatpipes, but I will have to say that the machine is air cooled if asked.


Yes, that would be misleading. It's not so much that it's one or the other, or that it's NOT one or the other.

*stirs the pot*

The real issue here is when someone is unequivocally told "no", the explanation had better back up the assertion. The issue is more of accuracy in this case. There IS liquid in the pipe that makes it functional. It would stop working if you cut the pipe and allowed the liquid/vapors to escape. There IS FLOWING liquids and vapors due to capillary action / evaporative cooling. there IS a pump of sorts, just not mechanical. There IS tubing. There IS a heatsink. blahblahblahblah

It's the ol' e-****, man... gotta keep it from getting stepped on.

/ok carry on. LOL
 
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Yes, that would be misleading. It's not so much that it's one or the other, or that it's NOT one or the other.

*stirs the pot*

The real issue here is when someone is unequivocally told "no", the explanation had better back up the assertion. The issue is more of accuracy in this case. There IS liquid in the pipe that makes it functional. It would stop working if you cut the pipe and allowed the liquid/vapors to escape. There IS FLOWING liquids and vapors due to capillary action / evaporative cooling. there IS a pump of sorts, just not mechanical. There IS tubing. There IS a heatsink. blahblahblahblah

It's the ol' e-****, man... gotta keep it from getting stepped on.

/ok carry on. LOL
And to give the pot one more stir, Everything is Air Cooled at some point.

I don't feel there is any stepping of anything going on, just sharing information, and hopefully we are all learning a little more about our computers.

I like Water Cooling because of its ability to remove the heat from the case, although it's not the only way. I like the Heat pipe cooling method because it is self contained and requires very little maintenance, maybe blow the dust off once in a while. They all have their advantages and are usually an improvement over the traditional HSF.

Oh, and by the way 1MuddyTruck that is a very nice case and system.
 

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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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right now my pc is at :

2.8 ghz Pentium D dual core
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 6800 xfx 256mb
350watt power supply


in the next month or two it will be :
2.6ghz Intel Core 2 duo 6750
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 8800 xfx 512(maybe 256)mb
500 watt power supply


how does that sound for all you gaming geniuses?
 
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JBMX928
right now my pc is at :

2.8 ghz Pentium D dual core
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 6800 xfx 256mb
350watt power supply


in the next month or two it will be :
2.6ghz Intel Core 2 duo 6750
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 8800 xfx 512(maybe 256)mb
500 watt power supply


how does that sound for all you gaming geniuses?
dont get the 256mb vid card, get the 512
and overclock the e6750 to at least 3.2Ghz
 
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JBMX928
right now my pc is at :

2.8 ghz Pentium D dual core
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 6800 xfx 256mb
350watt power supply


in the next month or two it will be :
2.6ghz Intel Core 2 duo 6750
2 gigs of ram
nvidia 8800 xfx 512(maybe 256)mb
500 watt power supply


how does that sound for all you gaming geniuses?
I'm no gaming genius, but I've got the 2.8 P-D Dual Core, 2 gigs of ram and the 8600 GT and love it.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:48 PM
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scratch the power supply. goin to a 600 or 700
 
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:55 PM
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Mac.



Use it for Photoshop, Painter, Photoshop, and Photoshop.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 01:47 AM
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Hey im just wondering whats the average Safe temp zone to have my computer operating at? Right now in the BIOS it averages 120-135 F. Is that ok or too hot?
 
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