So you think Islam is a peaceful religion?
Some footnotes on Jihad... I'd say it does not sound PEACEFUL.
3) JIHAD - means holy war. In pre-Islamic times it referred to raids by Bedouin tribes against each other for allocation of water resources, pasturage, booty and slaves. Given wider application by Muhammad to include war against non-believers - a religious mandate. See following relevant sections of the Quran:
Surah V, 33 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be a disgrace for them in this world …"
Surah V, 76 "Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of Satan …"
Surah VIII, 65 "O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they will overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you, they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve …"
Surah IX, 5 "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush …"
Surah IX, 33 "He is it Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions …"
Surah IX, 123 "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near you and let them find in you hardness …"
Surah VIII, 12, 13 & 14 "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and every fingertip of them. (13) This is because they acted adverse to Allah and his apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and his apostle - then surely Allah is severe in requiting. (14) This - taste it, and know that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire."
Surah VII, 182 "And as to those who reject Our communications, We draw them near to destruction by degrees from whence they know not." Sometimes the word, jihad, is used to describe personal struggles against adversity.
See CHRISTIAN FLIGHT FROM THE MIDDLE EAST at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathcul...istflight.html , FORTY-TWO MARTYRS OF AMORION at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathcul...womartyrs.html , BESLAN at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathculture/beslan.html and LONDON BOMBINGS at: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/hatredinislam.shtml
3) JIHAD - means holy war. In pre-Islamic times it referred to raids by Bedouin tribes against each other for allocation of water resources, pasturage, booty and slaves. Given wider application by Muhammad to include war against non-believers - a religious mandate. See following relevant sections of the Quran:
Surah V, 33 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be a disgrace for them in this world …"
Surah V, 76 "Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of Satan …"
Surah VIII, 65 "O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they will overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you, they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve …"
Surah IX, 5 "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush …"
Surah IX, 33 "He is it Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions …"
Surah IX, 123 "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near you and let them find in you hardness …"
Surah VIII, 12, 13 & 14 "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and every fingertip of them. (13) This is because they acted adverse to Allah and his apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and his apostle - then surely Allah is severe in requiting. (14) This - taste it, and know that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire."
Surah VII, 182 "And as to those who reject Our communications, We draw them near to destruction by degrees from whence they know not." Sometimes the word, jihad, is used to describe personal struggles against adversity.
See CHRISTIAN FLIGHT FROM THE MIDDLE EAST at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathcul...istflight.html , FORTY-TWO MARTYRS OF AMORION at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathcul...womartyrs.html , BESLAN at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathculture/beslan.html and LONDON BOMBINGS at: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/hatredinislam.shtml
Where do the 72 Virgins come from?
Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Koran, the Bible of Islam, tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven is to die fighting in the cause of allah.
If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Koran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Koran.)
According to this page, the specific Hadith in which the number of virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise.
Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Koran, the Bible of Islam, tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven is to die fighting in the cause of allah.
If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Koran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Koran.)
According to this page, the specific Hadith in which the number of virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise.
What do you expect them to do?
That verse teaches to defend them selfs...
It never says to go to their land and slay them.
In the Christan Bible God commands the exact same thing of his people many many times. Through out Deutronomy, Judges, and Psalms to name a few.
Yet I consider Christians to be semi peaceful.
That verse teaches to defend them selfs...
It never says to go to their land and slay them.
In the Christan Bible God commands the exact same thing of his people many many times. Through out Deutronomy, Judges, and Psalms to name a few.
Yet I consider Christians to be semi peaceful.
Originally Posted by Norm
The KKK claims to be Christian as does many ignorant white supremacy groups.
There are extremists in every religion.
There are extremists in every religion.
Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
What do you expect them to do?
That verse teaches to defend them selfs...
It never says to go to their land and slay them.
In the Christan Bible God commands the exact same thing of his people many many times. Through out Deutronomy, Judges, and Psalms to name a few.
Yet I consider Christians to be semi peaceful.
That verse teaches to defend them selfs...
It never says to go to their land and slay them.
In the Christan Bible God commands the exact same thing of his people many many times. Through out Deutronomy, Judges, and Psalms to name a few.
Yet I consider Christians to be semi peaceful.
Originally Posted by s2krn
Wow!!!!! It seems you are only seeing what you want to see.
Pot calling the kettle black.

Except you are only seeing what a bias media has told you to see
Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Pot calling the kettle black. 
Except you are only seeing what a bias media has told you to see

Except you are only seeing what a bias media has told you to see
Originally Posted by s2krn
So now it is a media issue. Maybe the bomb toting muslims are paid to do so by the biased media. This is what I know for sure... I don't hear many reports of Christians blowing themselves up in a crowd of unknowing citizens to kill as many people as possible. But maybe it's just because the biased media chooses not to report it!

OOOOKAY DOKIE SMOKIE.
If you want me to say that your hate is well founded or better than thiers, it isn't going to happen. I think it's founded on emotion and ignorance.
Now for the Islamic extremist, I say defend ourselfs.
Now for the Islamic extremist, I say defend ourselfs.
Originally Posted by s2krn
The KKK is not a religious organization. Just because participants in things such as the Black Panthers, KKK, Hell's Angels, Bloods, Crips, etc does not make them a "religion". We are talking about religions and followers of cults, sects, etc.
Last edited by Norm; Dec 1, 2007 at 05:04 PM.
Originally Posted by s2krn
I never said I hated anyone. I sure hope you're not saying detonating a bomb in a crowd of people is "defending yourself". That would seal it for me!! I'm going to sit back and see what everyone else has to say.
Islam is taught to defend them selfs as by your Koran scripture you posted.
Extreme Islamic terrorist take that same scripture that you posted and distort it in the way that you too have been taught for it to read and they are trained to go a step further and attack anyone and everyone including the extreme action of detonating bombs. Hence why they are called "Extreme".
Last edited by PSS-Mag; Dec 1, 2007 at 07:51 PM.
Originally Posted by INFireRedF150
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Some say violence solves nothing, to which I say then that violence wasn't properly applied.
Some say violence solves nothing, to which I say then that violence wasn't properly applied.

Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Your going to hear about the smaller group more because they are doing something to get attention.
For every bomber there is probably 100K+ that were at work that day and not involved in any way shape or form. Did you hear about those 100K others? No because they weren't doing anything. You heard about the one or two bombers and the denomination that sent them.
For every bomber there is probably 100K+ that were at work that day and not involved in any way shape or form. Did you hear about those 100K others? No because they weren't doing anything. You heard about the one or two bombers and the denomination that sent them.


