Poll: Please stay on topic
Right on, I work as the hourly representative for lean, Kan Ban, Value stream we try to convice the company we can do the work cheaper, less manufacturing mistakes, keeps work in house, tax benefits etc..
And I have my production job to do as well.
Sounds like alot of us are wearing multiple hats
And I have my production job to do as well.
Sounds like alot of us are wearing multiple hats
Originally Posted by swank07'
Right on, I work as the hourly representative for lean, Kan Ban, Value stream we try to convice the company we can do the work cheaper, less manufacturing mistakes, keeps work in house, tax benefits etc..
And I have my production job to do as well.
Sounds like alot of us are wearing multiple hats
And I have my production job to do as well.
Sounds like alot of us are wearing multiple hats
I have been lucky enough to get a great staff, some here before me and some hired by me. Everyone works hard and although none of my base employees have profit sharing I usually toss a couple bills thier way if things are going well
Our union employee’s main big wigs just paid us a visit not long ago wanting to get involved with us as a “team” in working with Lean. That was a huge change as the union here fought like hell to keep us from going Lean. There wasn’t much the union could do since it is the company’s choice. Of course informing the union workers if we did not go lean would mean they would have no right to file any grievances since there wouldn’t be a company here to fill one out for…
In any regards after about a year many of the employees began getting on board once they started believing what I and others had told them that Lean, and the way we were going to implement Lean would NOT mean layoffs and job loss but actually the opposite IF we were able to get our act together quickly with their assistance.
If was very scary there for about 9 months because we were honestly very close to shutting down forever and it was no threat but a reality. We still have approx. 20% to 30% of our product being manufactured overseas and most likely half of them will stay there due to customer requirements and cost. However the goal is to bring as much back as possible, including work we have been having completed outside. It is so much easier controlling quality and quantity in house then through a vendor, regardless if there are down the street or half way around the globe…
The one thing I absolutely LOVE about Lean is it forces a company to work with its employees and it forces employees to work with the company. When one stops working with the other Lean will fail and jobs, everybody’s job, is lost…
In any regards after about a year many of the employees began getting on board once they started believing what I and others had told them that Lean, and the way we were going to implement Lean would NOT mean layoffs and job loss but actually the opposite IF we were able to get our act together quickly with their assistance.
If was very scary there for about 9 months because we were honestly very close to shutting down forever and it was no threat but a reality. We still have approx. 20% to 30% of our product being manufactured overseas and most likely half of them will stay there due to customer requirements and cost. However the goal is to bring as much back as possible, including work we have been having completed outside. It is so much easier controlling quality and quantity in house then through a vendor, regardless if there are down the street or half way around the globe…
The one thing I absolutely LOVE about Lean is it forces a company to work with its employees and it forces employees to work with the company. When one stops working with the other Lean will fail and jobs, everybody’s job, is lost…
Now we are seeing eye to eye.
My fellow employees where the same way, we looked at lean as meaning layoffs, but we worked with the company from the start, sure there are always the hard azzed people who fight till the bitter end, but with a world economy the unions had to change, most of them did somewhere around 98-00. We are seeing record profits and are hiring 4k more people at my plant before the end of the year.
Things are going very smoothly now and we are heading into negotiations as we speak. We do so more than a year out to get any dissagreements out of the way. We NEVER want to strike, but if the membership votes BY MAJORITY we will go out.
Our last strike was in 05' when the Boeing company wanted to bring new hires in at a much lower starting wage, and a sub par benefit package.
We struck for 28 days and we where at the table all of those trying to find a agreement we could both work with.
The company finally seen it from a new hires point of view and we went back to work and in less than 2 weeks had the company back on schedule (remember we kick a complete 737 at a rate of 28 planes a month)
My fellow employees where the same way, we looked at lean as meaning layoffs, but we worked with the company from the start, sure there are always the hard azzed people who fight till the bitter end, but with a world economy the unions had to change, most of them did somewhere around 98-00. We are seeing record profits and are hiring 4k more people at my plant before the end of the year.
Things are going very smoothly now and we are heading into negotiations as we speak. We do so more than a year out to get any dissagreements out of the way. We NEVER want to strike, but if the membership votes BY MAJORITY we will go out.
Our last strike was in 05' when the Boeing company wanted to bring new hires in at a much lower starting wage, and a sub par benefit package.
We struck for 28 days and we where at the table all of those trying to find a agreement we could both work with.
The company finally seen it from a new hires point of view and we went back to work and in less than 2 weeks had the company back on schedule (remember we kick a complete 737 at a rate of 28 planes a month)
Non-union, salary.
30-ish-an-hour across a 40-hour work week, plus bonus and profit sharing, which are widely variable depending on the year. (Misleading because many weeks I work way more that 40 hours, while other weeks I hardly work at all beyond staying in touch via email and cell phone.) Lots of other perks (probably in the 5k - 10k range per year, depending on the year) as well that don't figure into my end-of-year income.
30-ish-an-hour across a 40-hour work week, plus bonus and profit sharing, which are widely variable depending on the year. (Misleading because many weeks I work way more that 40 hours, while other weeks I hardly work at all beyond staying in touch via email and cell phone.) Lots of other perks (probably in the 5k - 10k range per year, depending on the year) as well that don't figure into my end-of-year income.
UNION!!
Laborers Local 310, Cleveland Ohio
Hourly= $29.98
Labor Foreman
100% benefits
Union pay (sub pay) when laid off plus unemployment
You can retire in 25 years when you join with 100% pension and annuity
Union all the way!
I will blow up the Rat balloon for any Non-Union construction workers.. why be Non-Union when you can have a life as a Union member?
Laborers Local 310, Cleveland Ohio
Hourly= $29.98
Labor Foreman
100% benefits
Union pay (sub pay) when laid off plus unemployment
You can retire in 25 years when you join with 100% pension and annuity
Union all the way!
I will blow up the Rat balloon for any Non-Union construction workers.. why be Non-Union when you can have a life as a Union member?
Originally Posted by Number1ford
UNION!!
Laborers Local 310, Cleveland Ohio
Hourly= $29.98
Labor Foreman
100% benefits
Union pay (sub pay) when laid off plus unemployment
You can retire in 25 years when you join with 100% pension and annuity
Union all the way!
I will blow up the Rat balloon for any Non-Union construction workers.. why be Non-Union when you can have a life as a Union member?
Laborers Local 310, Cleveland Ohio
Hourly= $29.98
Labor Foreman
100% benefits
Union pay (sub pay) when laid off plus unemployment
You can retire in 25 years when you join with 100% pension and annuity
Union all the way!
I will blow up the Rat balloon for any Non-Union construction workers.. why be Non-Union when you can have a life as a Union member?

ETA - again - if you don't have nothing nice to say...
Last edited by Quintin; Oct 13, 2007 at 07:44 PM.
union.. IAM...with mixed thoughts. I don't like unions. They don't let the best rise. Because of the socialist structure of unions, all are equal. I work on aircraft propellers.. but still am $4-$5 lower than the average aerospace worker. Our company is very tight wad. They make a NET profit of over 23% but can't see to pay the workers fairly. Don't get me wrong, I am all for companies making money. They employ me! but for crying out loud be fair! We can't even get good people in the door, and the good people leave because of low wages. Now you tell me.. what has the union done to help? NOTHING. Most unions are in bed with the company. The 3 unions I have belonged to have been the same way.
Non-union
Field: studio work
Title: Visual Communication Specialist
Pay rate: Variable.... minimum $19 an hour
Current max for me, $120 an hour.
Still broke white trash though......
ETA:
I did hit $1200 an hour for 2 hours one time a few months ago on one project..... likely won't happen again for a while.......
I do love those projects.....
Field: studio work
Title: Visual Communication Specialist
Pay rate: Variable.... minimum $19 an hour
Current max for me, $120 an hour.
Still broke white trash though......

ETA:
I did hit $1200 an hour for 2 hours one time a few months ago on one project..... likely won't happen again for a while.......
I do love those projects.....
Last edited by PSS-Mag; Oct 13, 2007 at 07:51 PM.



