I really beg to differ, unions protect the members from the company yes, but only to a certain extent. If someone is a total teabag, and is messing up there is job evaluation scenerios that the company and the union agreed upon during negotiations, I'm sure of it.

It doesn't mean the boss cannot touch you because you belong to a union, it means the company has to treat everyone the same, no favortisim.

Thake a look at this:https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=302633

Now belonging to a union might have kept him in a job, just because this guy had a bad couple days at work doesn't mean he should loose his livelyhood.

The company has the right to fire anyone at anytime as long as it's within the bargaining agreement.
They don't remove personal responsibility, they have a contract which was agreed upon by both parties that describes responsibilities expected from employees. A employee doesn't work up to snuff they have every right to let him\her go. Upon review.


Here is the bargaining agreement I work under, http://www.iam751.org/2005_contract/ please take a look and you tell me if you think it's extortion.

 

I have yet to see a fighter pilot or flight line mechanic say the planes they fly are crap because union employees built it.

Union workers are personally accountable for their work. The union is there to protect them. Just because you're in a union doesn't mean you don't have to abide by the company's rules.

 

Hey swank I would not recommend using Matteneer (Toyotahater) as an example. The guy has a history here, and all of it is bad.

 

It is.

 

There are bad apples in every workplace, not just the union represented workplace. Generalizing and actually believing that nonsense isn't constructive.

 

Wookie: I didn't know about his rep. (Thanks for the warning though ) I definatley don't want to be asscotiated with a internet troll.
I just seen the situation posted and thought it may fit the conversation.

I'm also glad to see pretty much everyone conducting themselves politley.
I'm not into the internet bashing thing.
Thanks again for the warning Wookie.

Take a look at my contract ( If you have the time, it is a long boring read) I believe you'll see that it is a fair and reasonable to both parties.

 

There is no such thing as non-union states, there are right to work states which unions cannot place membership as part of employment.
Where I work joining the union is required to be employed.

 

That, my friend, is illegal in all states. Membership in the union is only voluntary (although Guido may have to persuade you to join). If your company requires you to be union, they are in violation of the EEOC and numerous labor laws.

 

The point is that he felt he was "above the law". Clearly he felt so secure that the Union would take care of him that he didnt even bother to call in. Any other person would be dealt with under such circumstances.

 

Well, the union I'm in is not like that. They do protect you to a point, but you are responsible for your actions at work, on and off the job.

 

You are asked to join by the reps first day, but you can decline and the dues will still be taken out, but put towards a charity instead of going into the union fund.

 

AND Stealth stated, "You are asked to join by the reps first day, but you can decline and the dues will still be taken out, but put towards a charity instead of going into the union fund."


How in the WORLD is that considered voluntary?

My mom was a teacher for 32 years, and she was one of 3 women who refused to join the union in her district. The cost? They had MANDATORY courses that the teachers had to take to keep their jobs- the cost? $2,600 a year, unless of course you joined the union...then they pay for it!

I can't figure out how crap like that is legal in this country.

Example: I hold a gun to your head and tell you to crap your pants and then not change your clothes for a day, but I tell you that you don't have to do what I say and I can't guarantee your safety....In "Union Terms" that is apparently the same as voluntary... please

 

If you have a problem with it, call your congressman and report this "illegal" activity.

You guys obviously don't have a clue. I'm done with this pointless thread, I'm getting bored.

 

Stealth is correct, union membership is voluntary, you still have to pay dues( which can go to your church, or other various charities.) however you cannot vote in elections of officials.
You are still represented if the company comes after you though.

Scabs are a different story, they are the people who are members that are weak and cross picket lines, taking food from other brothers and sisters.
They pay dues ( although 99% of scabs donate to a charity of some sort instead of the union getting their money) and they are still represented as a union member.
Their co-workers however have ways of dealing with scabs and take appropriate action towards them.
Remember, they crossed a picket line, and after the strike is over, they get the benefits you and your co-workers fought\stuck for. All the while still getting a check, along with a brown nose.

 

Classic avoidance. I expected more than that from you...