Quit supporting the illegals. Captain knows what he is talkin about. Nice post by the way earlier about the house.

 

 

x2!

 

At least we all have the "Cheech & Chong" movies to be thankful for.

On a more serious note...
I wish we shared some of the Mexican border with you guys just for the el cheapo labour you guys have access to.

You try hiring a couple of guys here just to do crappy jobs like raking leaves and whatnot, they laugh in your face when you offer them $10 hr cash.

I'd love to have access to a couple of illegals to do all the crappy jobs around here.
As a matter of fact, don't they do all the crappy jobs in America also? The jobs nobody wants to do for low wages?

* Slaughter houses / meat processing plants
* Picking veggies & Tobacco
* Back breaking, chitty *** jobs etc.

I understand the frustration some of you guys feel, but I have a feeling that anger should be directed more towards the government (for letting it happen) than the people themselves.

Isn't it true that big business wants / needs the illegals?
For any business to succeed, their has to be a successful exploitation of people, and what better people to exploit than illegals? Then the business kicks $$ back to the govt, and they in turn leave well enough alone.

Send me a couple for the week-end, I've got pile of gravel that needs moving, and a crisp Canadian $20 with some lucky fellas name on it.

 

I'm kinda torn on this issue. I am disgusted by the swiss-cheese nature of our borders. However, here is the deal, a fact no-one can argue with: there are some of these illegals (and they are illegals, they broke US law), that are here and contributing to the economy by taking those really crappy jobs that no one wants even if they are dead broke. Now yes, you could say that by requesting all these benefits (education, medical care, welfare) that the net worth of their presence is in the red. In a perfect world, those who are here that fall into that description would be granted citizenship (pending background check). There are also those illegals who are here only to continue their criminal ways in a more prosperous society.

Let me say, now that you've read this, I'm a staunch conservative. IMO, the immigration situation is so jacked up, it'll take something more than an amnesty pardon to fix it (esp considering the status of our incredibly dysfunctional congress, holy crap. Talk about FUBAR). There are good people among those who come into this country illegally, and for some reason they choose not to come in as a legal citizen (I have heard that the process is long and tedious...). It is those who have come that aren't looking to better America or looking out for the betterment of their families that cast horrible shadow on the former. Not to mention that the condition of our borders also allows any joe-terrorist to wander *****-nilly into America and unleash havoc.

Criminal proceedings against illegals should be much more harsh, no? The constitution does not apply to these people (so no worries re: punishment worthy of the crime), or am I wrong on that.

 

Just not true.

 

My point exactly...

 

...you could leave us with just a bit more than that vader...you have stated opinions well in previous posts...why just leave with that?

Supporting evidence, anything?

 

We have no evidence to support the other side of the argument, other than it keeps getting reported by the media. Waukesha, WI is one of the hotbeds for illegals to get paperwork and jobs. There are many I have personally sent away (INS didn't want to be bothered with them, made the call) when they were looking for jobs. Also, there are many that were very suspicious that had "good paperwork". Even had guys that I had perviously employed show up with a new name and fresh paperwork. I personally won't hire anyone that can't communicate in English - doesn't do me any good to have employees I can't talk to.
I have yet to find a job that I can't find an American to do. The problem is if you want to pay bottom dollar for crap work, you will struggle finding someone to do it. If you pay reasonable wages, no problem at all. The illegals drive down the payable wage.

 

A while ago a bunch of illegal immigrants started getting scared away here by federal raids. My wife lost her job. Why? Because she is a school teacher and many of the kids she taught were either illegal immigrants, or children of illegal immigrants that were born here in the states and therefore legal. Families left, schools closed, now we'll be struggling to make ends meet until she can find another job.
So, in other words, send em all back to Mexico. Wonder how many American's jobs will be lost then.

 

I'm not just talking teachers. How many grocery stores, restaurants, shopping malls, apartment complexes will go out of business?
I personally find stats like this interesting, because nobody ever seems to do a study on how much illegal immigrants SAVE Americans every year, rather then how much they cost us. Look at all the **** jobs that they are doing for minimum wage that most americans wouldn't do for $15-20 an hour, and thats just the legal ones that are actually making minimum wage! How many of us would work pouring concrete in 110 degree weather for $4 an hour? How about picking produce in the field for 12 hours a day for below minimum wage? If these folks weren't doing it, Americans would have to and in order to find someone willing to do it, they'd have to raise the payscale, raising the price of everything in turn. Wish someone would do a study like that.

I remember a statistic a while ago that said something like 40% of american citizens would not be able to become a citizen of the united states if they weren't already, based on the information they need to know about the country, qualifications required, etc..

 

One of the reasons i like living up here is that there are really no illegal aliens up here, if there are, i think they got lost on their way. But we do have to deal with those damned canadians!

 

Here are a couple of our hard working honest illegals in Oregon--

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/storie...s.bfba54f.html

 

...because only illegal immigrants commit crimes...

 

They are actually illegal aliens, immigrants are people in the process legally. And, by the nature of them being here ILLEGALLY, all of them have committed at least one crime.

Sad your wife's job went away, but that still doesn't justify illegal activity being subsidized. Basically, if the illegals had not been there, here job (paid for by taxpayers) would have never existed to begin with. That's part of the problem with the way the system works.

We need to first, secure the borders, then deal with the illegals. If we don't secure the borders, any cure will be a placebo.