We don't have more than 3 cars and maybe a horse and buggy in our pile ups around here.

Ussually our pile ups are people who dont keep up with the flow of traffic, or drive in the passing lane. For some reason, drive right, pass left alludes some people. It's the law for crying out loud, that is one I wish they'd enforce. They do enforce it at night because its a sign of a potential drunk.

 

They could have all the pictures in the world of my vehicle with me speeding, but who's to say I ever received the ticket in the mail? Did it come as a certified letter?

If I got one of those, I'd mail it back to the PD and let them know that I believe it was sent in error and leave it at that, no names, no return address.

Let 'em work for it.

 

I like the way you think.

 

sorry to break it to ya but that won't work. they are going to send the mail to the address your license plate is registered too, if its the wrong address guess what license is suspended. it happened to my bassist, he got a ticket payed it and requested traffic school info, the check cleared and he hadn't changed his address on his license or his registration. they don't forward state or federal mail. so that traffic school info got a return to sender and they suspended his license. he had no clue it was suspended till he was pulled over for speeding and ended up in the back of a cop car watching his car get towed.... they threw all the crap outta court but he stil had to pay the tow and storage fees. apparently its your resposibillity to change your address withing 10 days of moving... duh

 

Pay the fine, take the class, get rid of the stupid large wheels.

Now . . . if you want to have some fun, find out who the local politician is who approved these things for your area. Hang out at their office and observe what kind of car they drive and what their license plate number is.
Rent similiar car. In photoshop make a license plate that matches theirs and print on colour printer. Apply plate to rental car. Drive thru a bunch of yellow lights that have photo enforcement set-ups. Remove bogus plates, return rental car, sit back and have fun reading story in paper about how politician who approved stupid cameras got 50 tickets from his system. Laugh.

 

They will just send a picture back of handcuffs

 

That's pretty creative thinking Kobi.. lol

I don't have to worry about cameras around here.

Onlee u big sity fokes hav thos! YeeHaw!

 

Ain't technology a bytch

Is anyone complaining that you know can renew your driver's license online in your pj's without driving down to the local DMV office and waiting in line?

I think not.

So why is anyone opposed to an automated feature that reduces the accidents in intersections (which are often the fatal T-bone inpacts), reduces the unchecked speed on our roadways, increases the coffers of local law enforcement without raising taxes, and allows law enforcement to allocate their resources to more pressing matters like patrols in residential areas protecting our families, homes, and vehicles.

Red light / speed enforcement cameras have been in place throughout Europe for decades without controversy. They are reliable, accurate, and never call in sick. BTW in Europe radar detectors are illegal as well as any modifications to your "state issued" plate to avoid detection. Often the European police incorporate the camera into a vehicle and have the lens in the tail light housing. No warning what-so-ever! The only way you know that you've been caught is the flash. When I was stationed in Germany, several years ago, the fine for running a red light was 1200.00 USD. Ouch! Here in Houston its only 75.00 and is a civil penalty without any points on the license (I think).

In Houston they have set up red light cameras at about 50 locations, namely in the locations with the highest level of mva's
http://www.khou.com/images/0705/redlights0514.pdf

Plus, its not like they don't give you a warning....



Remember, just because you don't get caught breaking the law doesn't mean that your not a law breaker.

 

Put the kool-aide down and step away from the keyboard.

 

I agree there are some Pros, but there are cons too.

My biggest complaint is, I dont know about Europe but here in America there is a thing in the law that calls for the enforcement officer to use JUDGMENT. The camera has no judgment it can only be a yes or no answer for it. It is not capable to allow for circumstances. There is not a such thing as exceptions for it.

 

Best argument so far. I agree, a police officer can see you run the red light and he can also see the truck that was about to broadside you, and make a decision based on that, all the camera can see is you going through the light, and even takes a pic of you. I am sure they bring more good than harm but there is always special circumstances.

 

You're so right kobi, my fault.

Tonight on the 6 o'clock evening news (about 3 minutes ago) on Channel 11 here in Houston, Tx they were showing some of the people photographed running red lights. Law enforcement, Fire rescue, public officals and ,dare I even say it, a school bus full of children. Why the hell should I care? I don't have any kids. I have nothing to loose. Hell, people can always make more kids. So I say let the bus driver run all the red lights he/she wishes until that lucky day....

When a patrol officer is actually present to issue a citation and suspend their CDL.

Yep you're right. What could I have been thinking

If you think these devices are an infringement on your civil liberties and an invasion of your privacy, then I might recommend that you just stay home.

And to those who aren't actually aware of the law, police don't actually have to witness a criminal act to issue a citation. I.E. MVA investigations where witness statements, and evidence often lead to an at-fault charge. Or in robberies where photographic evidence is present, or the beating of a senior citizen in NYC, etc...

 

Or this public servant taking the risk with the lives of his/her passengers

Please pay attention to the speed of the bus. 51mph on a city street. And notice the time 8:13am. And that date is a Wednesday morning. No doubt during the middle of the morning rush.

I think we should raise property taxes 2000% so we can employ an officer for every intersection to catch these non law breakers.




Gotta keep those buses running on time no matter what

 

What happened 10 seconds before the bus reached the intersection, where was the bus at when the light turned green and how many milliseconds from the time green went out till red came on.

I do stay home as much as possiable but not becsaue of that. It cant be an infringment of any rights. Driving is a privledge not a right. Legally though there is question as to the ethics of light cams.

Well good I just took a photo of this guy I dont like while he was driving down the road and I'm going to go file a report that he was speeding then.



Like I said it's not a question of rights infringment, it's not a question wether they would do mostly good. It's more a question of ethics and lack of common sense or compassion.

 

What I see....
I see a bus that got trapped in the turning lane while picking up passengers on the curb at a bus stop. In an attempt to get over he sped up to get over. The CDL handbook tells you to either speed up or slow down. If there was a line of traffic behind that car then his only choice may have been ot speed up. He was looking in his mirrors to see if he had cleared the car so he could get over before his lane ended. When he looks up from his mirrors, his light had changed. Now he has a choice of locking up the brakes, risking losing control, becasue they do not have ABS. Potentially flipping the bus, or maybe taking out other motorist and pedistrians on the sidewalk to prevent running a red light. Or even if it does stay striaght that bus weighs a pound or two and does not stop on a dime, he still would end up in the middle of the intersection. His other choice, coasting through as the light chnages. In which case a cop would likely give him a warning.

Of course we are all making ALOT of assumptions based solely on a couple of photographs for evedince.
Thats what I'm talking about, why they should not be relied on.

In hte end, yes "technically" you are correct as the evidence shows, he did indeed run it..... but why?????