The boss engine should have been ready for the 2005 models, not 5 more years down the road. The F150 has been underpowered since the 97 models with the 5.4

 

Ford set a world record (In all of human history) in 2005 for most units sold with the F150. I'm pretty sure Ford knew what they were doing.

Could the F150 use more power? Of course. BUT, from a business standpoint...Ford was better off using the existing technology in the Triton engine than going with a new engine at that time.

 

dude what is with all your ****ing ford bashing lately, jesus find a toyota board n get rid of your truck if yall gonna be like this

 

I tried to look at one, but it burnt my eyebrows off when I was checking out the cool exhaust pipe.

 

Everybody (Ford, GM, Daimler-Chrysler) had banner years (In terms of units sold, not profit) in 2005, thanks to Employee Pricing and 0% APR.

 

Banner years? Sure.

Far and way, not even remotely close world records? Yeah, must have been the good economy that fooled people into buying the F150 instead of the more expensive Toyotas, or the Chevies and GMCs that were also sitting pretty with good financing.

Or, here is a novel concept, maybe Ford realizes that although the same 50 negative nancys complain about a lack of power day in and day out on F150online, the rest of America doesn't care about the 0-60 time on their pickup trucks and they bought the F150 because it was the best overall truck on the market.

But hey, your idea might be right too... just like the fact that the movie "The Matrix" MIGHT be based on a real concept... :santa:

 

Well I think it is cool that fords where in the backdrop of a toyota commercial. And I think that when Ford puts a diesel in the F150 it will remain the number one selling half ton for many, many more years.

 

Please, PLEASE explain how the Tundra wiped the F150 away. ie, sales numbers

Thanks.

 

Aparently youve never read the fine print on the bottom of the commercial

 

hes obviously angry because he didnt get something so hes gonna try n **** everyone off at f150online by saying all this bull****.
the new f150 will wipe ALL trucks away.

 

Come on "L", you know it's not that simple... (Plus, GM's 1500 twins do outsell the F-150) Ford stays ahead by counting "F-Series" trucks. If GM did that, they'd meet or beat Ford's F-150 every year. Ford's Super-Duties sell more than GM and DC's SD trucks, combined.

If you have the best selling (single nameplate ) vehicle in the world BEFORE employee pricing; certainly you're going to have the best sellig vehicle in the world WITH employee pricing. They just made it that much easier for the joker contemplating a Ranger or a SporTrac, to step on into an F-150.

Not that anything is wrong with F-150's... If I thought that, we wouldn't have had 5 of them grace our garage. I just don't live and breath blue just because I bought one. I like Ford too, but- I guess I'm just not a fanatic. I'd be just as happy with a white 2007 Tundra CrewMax on 22's, or a 2007 Silverado/Sierra CrewCab as I am with my ($10,000.00 discounted) 2006 F-150 that we got in January 2006.

Discounts move vehicles, deep discounts really move vehicles. People said the Aztec was ugly, but I bet if Pontiac had knocked 10K off on every new Aztec, you'd see more Aztec's on the road. A new Aztec is better than a used PT Cruiser. Good financing helps too, but dollar's make sense. if I can get a sweet ($31,000) truck, and only finance $21,000 at 0%, that makes more sense than to get another truck that's sweeter in some spots, not as sweet in others, but Finance $35,000 at 1.9%. Unless you REALLY want one, cost be damned. I don't know many people who can afford to think that way.

I, for one- hope I'm in the new vehicle market if this ever happens, but I would not advise anyone hold their breath, waiting on Toyota's or Nissan to discount the Tundra or Titan's 10K, AND offer 0.0% APR.

 

You guys keep saying that it is all due to heavy discounting, but you aren't remembering your time lines correctly. Ford was selling HUGE numbers of the new F150 BEFORE the heavy discounting began.

"In July alone, F-Series sales generated enough revenue to rank the nameplate within the annual Fortune 500 rankings" If they were selling them at the massive discounts you claimed, then how would they turn such a massive profit? In a SINGLE MONTH the F-series trucks generated enough REVENUE (That's POSITIVE $$ folks) to rank in the Fortune 500.

I will admit they did do some discounting, but not as huge as you claim.

AND, again, Chevy/GMC did the same thing... so you can't disclaim Ford based on those discounts when it was being done everywhere in the American truck market.

I will also agree that using the F-series as a whole helps, but that isn't the only reason the numbers are so huge...they flat sold a retarded amount of those trucks.

As for your last example, if I tried to charge $500 for a pile of poop, and no one bought it, so I reduced it to $10, do you think that automatically since the price dropped people would buy it?

No. The F150 does not just sell due to discounts, it sells well because it is a damn good truck. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

 

Double post. Edited by me.

 

Lumdar, I'm not saying the F-150 isn't a great truck, or that they only sell because of discounts. I'm saying that if you take something that's already selling well, and sell it cheaper, it's going to sell better and faster. Maybe even at record levels.

Of course you can still generate a profit when you sell at a discount. That is because that's how much they are marked up over what it costs Ford to manufacture a unit. In sales, there would be no such thing as a discount, if it wasn't still generating revenue- just maybe not as much revenue.

Not only that, but no two people get the same deal. You and I can walk in, look at the same truck, and we may both walk out with keys, but one of us could pay thousands more than the other.

Yes, they did discount them $10,000.00. Right now, 28 March 2007, during "Truck Month" certain dealerships here in DFW (Sam Pack 5-Star Ford) is selling SuperCrew, XLT F-150's for $21,000.00.. Sale ends Monday April 2, 2007. When I got mine, Middlekauf Ford was doing it.

July 2005 was right in the middle of employee sales. GM started it in June 2005, Ford and Daimler picked it up in July, and they all ran it until August/September timeframe.

F-150's sell because they are good trucks, and because of heritage. People grew up hearing Ford built the best trucks, a lot of folks buy the same trucks their fathers and grandfathers drove. Ford can be beaten engineering wise, but, it's going to take a lot to overcome heritage.

They are good trucks, but that doesn't mean they are the best in every way; obviously they are not... Not now anyway...

As for the poop example, if it's cow poop, someone will buy it if it's sold cheaper...

Every green thumb is looking for good fertilizer.

 

I agree with just about everything you said in your last post- we're on the same page now.

I do still think if you do and apples and apples comparison and compare the F150 to the competitors it had at release (ie equiv trucks), it was the best truck overall. Obviously now the other manufacturers have played the "I can add 1 to what you had, and now I am better" game... but Ford will jump in the ring too.

All in due time.