who says theyll dominate?

toyota is only ahead now because ford has an outdated engine.
what about a few years from now when ford has the BOSS and will be crushing toyota?

rumors i know but itll happen.

 

Right after the Boss drops, Nissan will drop a new Titan, with the same HP, but much quicker.

It never ends...

Honda might beat Ford to market with the diesel in a light-duty truck... They'll have two diesels on the market, one in 2008 2.2L diesel (4 cyl), the other in 2009 Displacement not stated, 6 cylinder.

Everybody's bringing their "A" game to the table...

And yes, I know- to you guys, the Ridgeline isn't a truck.. I know... Even though the Insurance Institute, EPA and DOT/NHTSA disagrees with you.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3642.html

 

yeah but with this new v6 ford dropped in that lincoln concept at all the shows that is supposed to put out 400+HP i cant imagine what they could do with a v8

 

F-150 diesel will dominate the market...PERIOD

 

in sales maybe, but then when people start using them, like Pss-Mag said a while back, like they would a superduty diesel - that's when the trucks will start malfunctioning and even though the owner is to blame, Ford will ultimately be blamed for it.

I'd like to think that wouldn't happen but knowing today's society and always passing the blame to someone else, I have a feeling it will happen.

 

I don't think it will be as big of a problem as you might think. Ford over engineers their trucks...unlike others who cut corners

VERY FEW people ever have a situation that even truly *requires* a superduty truck... and I'm sure an F150 with a diesel on the new platform will be quite stout. I just can't foresee it being as big of a problem as you might be thinking given Ford's reputation (especially recently) for making such solid trucks

 

While that may be true about a superduty, there are people who'll put a 5thwheel or gooseneck on a F150 becuase they can't afford a superduty.

It's funny but I see a quite a few superduty owners who leave their diesel's running and if you ask them why, they'll tell you because it's a diesel (meaning, like a semi diesel). Now tell me the geniuses with that mentality won't over-work an F150 just because it has a diesel.

 

This idea just does not hold water. If the powertrain engineers at Ford can make F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550 & F-650 drivelines that can function just fine with a diesel then why can't they make an F-150 that uses diesel fuel? In the past when Ford made a HD F-150 the entire driveline came from the F-250; why would that change now? It is cheaper for a company to reuse engineering than to create new. Ford is doing everything they can to save money; why would they stop now? I would be willing to bet that when a diesel F-150 comes to the market it will have some variant of the F-250 tranny and the 10.25/10.50 rear end. Now you have the same driveline that can stand up to the horsepower and torque of the 6.0/6.4 in a F-150 that is powered by a 3.6/4.4. I fail to see the problem.

 

I think it woudl be a wast e of money, and potential cannibalization of the Super Duty line, to introduce a diesel in the F-150. Why?

A diesel F-150 will probably crack $36,000 easy...

You can already get a diesel F-250 for that price, or less. If you really need a diesel- get a 250.

Ford needs to save every dollar... No point in sinking R&D dollars into the F-150, which is already the best selling vehicle on the planet... Not when yu have a competent, and price conscious diesel already in the fleet.

 

While the f150hd were in fact hd's, nothing so far indicates that the diesel F150 will be an HD. The 07 SD have both a gas and a diesel (and I know each motor comes with a different load rating, they're both still SD's), so until Ford says the F150 diesel will be an HD variant I will continue to believe it'll have the same rating as the gas F150 (within the differences that the SD gas & diesel have). Now what my original statement was referring to, was if Ford does make a diesel F150 and it's rated the same or close to the gas F150 - that just because it does have a diesel, *some* people will automatically treat it as if it were an HDF150 or SD.

 

Unless you are like me. I don't want a F250. My taxes, registration, insurance and turning radius will all go up and my ride quality will go down. However, I do want a diesel and the added efficiency that it brings.

 

Why would Ford not make the driveline strong enough to withstand the engine? They already upgrade things when the 4.6 comes out and the 5.4 goes in. If the power of the new diesel is enough to warrant a stronger driveline parts than I am fairly sure that it will get it. This has always been the case in the past, why would this change now? Also, define HD for me. The way you talk just because the letters HD are on the side it suddenly is invincible. You line of thinking is flawed, I see people overloading all trucks, not just the diesel ones. Why will the gas powered trucks break less than the diesel ones?

 

Of course they'll beef up the drivetrain...even I know that goes without saying but to say they (as in your previous post) will use the F250 drivetrain that the 6.4 uses for the F150 3.6/4.4 - to me seems a little overkill and if Ford brings that motor over from another line, I'm sure it'll bring the tranny with it too and even if it's off of a delivery cargo truck, would you care to shift through all the gears they use.

HD is just that heavy duty and no, just because it's stamped with HD on the side, in my mind it's not invicible. But believe me, there are people out there that automatically think because a truck has a diesel in it, it's invicible. I'm not one of them, but I have a feeling those that do will be showing up at the dealer with problems.

ETA: I'm not trying to be stubborn or get into any arguement or anything like that. For Ford's sake I hope I'm wrong about people misusing the rumored f150 diesel and I'll own up to it too. IMO, I don't think Ford can handle another fiasco like with the new SD's 6.4 diesel after putting so much into the release. As soon as the novelty of the new Tundra wears off, there'll be another truck to take it's shot at the top of 1/2 ton market and there'll be something else for everyone talk about but right now the talk for the F150 is more power and I hope Ford puts more R&D into a diesel F150 than just putting something out there to shut everyone up. But who knows.

 

why would the smaller diesel f150 be any more misused than a 5.4 1/2 ton?

from my understandind it will be a smaller diesel with less hp and little more torque than the current 1/2 ton. If it is like the diesel option on the 3/4 ton, it will be a pricey option. I would think the primary goal of this option would be improved mpg and simply offering more options.

the powertrain behind the lightnings has proven to be very tough, wouldnt ford simply offer the diesel with the same trans and rear end the lightning had? (4r100 and the 9.75 rear end)