Guiliani in 2008
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Originally Posted by vader716
Hey I voted for Buchanan so I feel your frustration. But have you looked at the election laws? Perot scared the beejesus out of Washington and they have done their part to make it dang near impossible for that to happen again. Look how the numbers have dropped since 92.
Vote your conscious, just know the electorate in general are too stupid to follow your lead. They will vote for the person with the catchiest commercials and sound bites which is why the field looks like it does now.
We're screwed but revolutions are fun....what can I say I'm an optimist....
Whatever, its like watching a ping pong match.....back and forth back and forth...the problem is I think we are the ball....
Vote your conscious, just know the electorate in general are too stupid to follow your lead. They will vote for the person with the catchiest commercials and sound bites which is why the field looks like it does now.
We're screwed but revolutions are fun....what can I say I'm an optimist....
Whatever, its like watching a ping pong match.....back and forth back and forth...the problem is I think we are the ball....
Agreed.
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I just hope you all down there dont make the same mistake eastern Canada did for years and vote libbys into power. We are pretty much ****ed now. Violent crimes, thefts, taxes, spending all up. Health care, education, defense, policing, etc all shot to hell.
And ya Id vote for the guy
And ya Id vote for the guy
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
I just hope you all down there dont make the same mistake eastern Canada did for years and vote libbys into power. We are pretty much ****ed now. Violent crimes, thefts, taxes, spending all up. Health care, education, defense, policing, etc all shot to hell.
And ya Id vote for the guy
And ya Id vote for the guy
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
I just hope you all down there dont make the same mistake eastern Canada did for years and vote libbys into power. We are pretty much ****ed now. Violent crimes, thefts, taxes, spending all up. Health care, education, defense, policing, etc all shot to hell.
And ya Id vote for the guy
And ya Id vote for the guy
So how long is it going to take for the populace to wise up and remove the libs from office by vote or force?
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVER
So how long is it going to take for the populace to wise up and remove the libs from office by vote or force?
Last I checked a Socialist was in the lead but losing ground...
She is being caught by a liberal....what choices
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVER
I saw this thread brewing yesterday morning and let it go because I was busy (work and all that), but now I have a minute to respond.
Before I give my position on a candidate I have a question, why, would you '... wait to hear what he has to say about his ideas first."? WHY? For God's sake if you think listening to a 20 second radio blip in order to form an 'informed' opinion of a candidate or their position and then wandering on down to the polling station to cast a vote is good, by all means stay at home and watch American Idol or whatever else is on the boob tube.
Guiliani's positions are already known and out there for public consumption, it's called history. Too many people are too lazy to actually research a politician's history, yet they will happily march down to the polling station and vote for some moron to govern them for a period of years having no clue what they stand for.
Waiting to hear what a candidate has to say about his ideas is like waiting for a car to run over you to see how bad it hurts.
Guiliani Is NOT a conservative and unfortunately neither is most of the Republican Party. He is rabidly anti-gun - He can FOAD for that right there. Never should a citizens rights be subjugated, never. He is pro-homo. I don''t care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but I do not have to "accept" anything and no amount of b1tching, griping, complaining, or marching will make certain acts 'right' or acceptable. Pandering to the peter puffers is politically expedient for many politicians and it is sickening. Guiliani is also firmly pro-abortion, I'm not into that either and neither is a 'conservative'.
McCain is a worthless and shifty POS. I do not trust him as far as I could throw my house. I don't care that he spent 5 years as a POW, that does not entitle him to anything, nor does it make him a good candidate for President. That man has done more to harm Freedom in America than most. One of the most vile and repugnant pieces of legislation in recent years is the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act (BCRA), which effectively bars the average American from participating the political process, yet it gives the media free reign. You think he is a good candidate for President? His actions in VN are also suspect and his true colors shine through when compared to men like CPT ‘Rocky’ Versace . * McCain is also against many other rights which I hold near and dear (all of them), again not the least of which is the RKBA. He is a Manchurian Candidate and ought to be put out to pasture.
Our system is stuck in a rut and rapidly decaying from the inside. There are more choices than R or D, and remember this; the lesser of two evils is still evil.
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Before I give my position on a candidate I have a question, why, would you '... wait to hear what he has to say about his ideas first."? WHY? For God's sake if you think listening to a 20 second radio blip in order to form an 'informed' opinion of a candidate or their position and then wandering on down to the polling station to cast a vote is good, by all means stay at home and watch American Idol or whatever else is on the boob tube.
Guiliani's positions are already known and out there for public consumption, it's called history. Too many people are too lazy to actually research a politician's history, yet they will happily march down to the polling station and vote for some moron to govern them for a period of years having no clue what they stand for.
Waiting to hear what a candidate has to say about his ideas is like waiting for a car to run over you to see how bad it hurts.
Guiliani Is NOT a conservative and unfortunately neither is most of the Republican Party. He is rabidly anti-gun - He can FOAD for that right there. Never should a citizens rights be subjugated, never. He is pro-homo. I don''t care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but I do not have to "accept" anything and no amount of b1tching, griping, complaining, or marching will make certain acts 'right' or acceptable. Pandering to the peter puffers is politically expedient for many politicians and it is sickening. Guiliani is also firmly pro-abortion, I'm not into that either and neither is a 'conservative'.
McCain is a worthless and shifty POS. I do not trust him as far as I could throw my house. I don't care that he spent 5 years as a POW, that does not entitle him to anything, nor does it make him a good candidate for President. That man has done more to harm Freedom in America than most. One of the most vile and repugnant pieces of legislation in recent years is the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act (BCRA), which effectively bars the average American from participating the political process, yet it gives the media free reign. You think he is a good candidate for President? His actions in VN are also suspect and his true colors shine through when compared to men like CPT ‘Rocky’ Versace . * McCain is also against many other rights which I hold near and dear (all of them), again not the least of which is the RKBA. He is a Manchurian Candidate and ought to be put out to pasture.
Our system is stuck in a rut and rapidly decaying from the inside. There are more choices than R or D, and remember this; the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Vader,
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Originally Posted by lovetrucks
...Seems to me the the top three things that bother you about Guiliani is that he is ..."anti-gun", "pro-homo" and "pro-abortion". To me, those are the least of this country's problems.
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I dont know too much about him personally, if I looked at it closer (if I lived in the US) but he sure did a damn good job cleaning up New York.I do support cracking down on the illegal sale of weapons, as long as they dont infringe on the rights of non-criminals. Not this billion dollar waste registry the libs created here.
I did have alot of respect for him after seeing how he handled the 9/11 situation. If nothing else he is a strong leader.
We did finally get the libs out of power last election. But its just a minority Conservative government now. Got the right man in office now, just hope enough of those easterners will actually see what a mess the libs created and that they are all off in their own reality.
If you look at the results from the last election, its pretty much the east is almost all liberal and the west conservative.
I did have alot of respect for him after seeing how he handled the 9/11 situation. If nothing else he is a strong leader.
We did finally get the libs out of power last election. But its just a minority Conservative government now. Got the right man in office now, just hope enough of those easterners will actually see what a mess the libs created and that they are all off in their own reality.
If you look at the results from the last election, its pretty much the east is almost all liberal and the west conservative.
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Originally Posted by lovetrucks
For the record, I don't listen to those 20 second radio blips. They're pure BS. I admit, I am not as politically savvy as you are. So I don't know all the facts about the candidates. But I will try to learn as much as I can before I cast my vote. Seems to me the the top three things that bother you about Guiliani is that he is ..."anti-gun", "pro-homo" and "pro-abortion". To me, those are the least of this country's problems.
That wasn't specifically aimed at you, but rather a convenient example of the problems we have with voters here in America. Vader is spot on with his observation as well. The right to keep and bear arms is God given and inalienable. Period. There is no reasonable restriction that leaves that right intact. It is a fundamental tenet of this country and Rudy is against it. The only thing he's done is make NY a more permissive environment for criminals. Als ohis crackdown on guns is not what *caused* the drop in crime. He put more cops ut ON the street walking the beat. He got them out of their cars and made them walk around an interact with the people. It's amazing what that can do.
I'm a bigot, I don't like homo's. I don't really care what they do, but I don't like it and as long as they **** and do it behind closed doors I don't care. The 'love that dare not speak its name' will now not **** and I'm tired of it. Puff peckers? I'm happy for ya, ****. Muff dive? Sweet, me too, now ****.
I also believe it is immoral to use abortion as a form of birth control. If it is permissible can I go abort the bum on the corner? After all no one wants him and he's just a hindrance to society.
People are far too accepting of what the government tells them. There are specific guidelines laid out for the operation that mandate what they can and can not do. If left unchallenged (as they have been) they will simply do whatever it is they want. That is NOT how it is supposed to be. Much of what the government does today is patently illegal. Yet they've gone unchecked and now accept it as their right to do so.
As a result of actions described above we now have have rampant illegal search and seizures, domestic spying, a freedom crushing "war on drugs" etc etc ad nauseam.
Ron Paul is who we need, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
.I do support cracking down on the illegal sale of weapons, as long as they dont infringe on the rights of non-criminals. Not this billion dollar waste registry the libs created here.
I posted about this a while ago when it comes to criminalizing objects vs punishing behavior. See link below.
malum prohibitum vs malum in se
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Seems the same everywhere. There is no perfect candidate, usually end up picking the lesser of the evils. Not how it should be, but its the reality.
I agree with the about the criminals, but I think trafficking the weapons should be punished very severly. Not just trying to restrict them for everyone. That never has and never will work.
I agree with the about the criminals, but I think trafficking the weapons should be punished very severly. Not just trying to restrict them for everyone. That never has and never will work.
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We will never rid the world of criminals either. Who cares about trafficking guns? The government has created a horrible and permissive environment for this crap. How? Simple, they have legislated against and prohibited so many items that there are now HUGE profits to be made in their trade. We did it wit hbooze and financed the likes of the Kennedy family. BTW firearms were never a problem until the government started legislating morality by outlawing booze. Mobs and gangs took to shooting it out over profits and territory. The same has been done with drugs. Arrest a 'dealer' for selling pot, you've not done a damn thing but create a drain on the public treasury. You have to pay the salary of the cop that arrested him, you have to pay the clerk that processes him, you have to pay the consumables (paper, pens, ink cartridges, etc) that are used in processing him, then there's housing, transportation, and court fees. In the end all it did was create a job opening for some other yahoo to step up and take his place.
The bottom line is the more we regulate the more effed up things become.
The bottom line is the more we regulate the more effed up things become.
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVER
We will never rid the world of criminals either. Who cares about trafficking guns? The government has created a horrible and permissive environment for this crap. How? Simple, they have legislated against and prohibited so many items that there are now HUGE profits to be made in their trade. We did it wit hbooze and financed the likes of the Kennedy family. BTW firearms were never a problem until the government started legislating morality by outlawing booze. Mobs and gangs took to shooting it out over profits and territory. The same has been done with drugs. Arrest a 'dealer' for selling pot, you've not done a damn thing but create a drain on the public treasury. You have to pay the salary of the cop that arrested him, you have to pay the clerk that processes him, you have to pay the consumables (paper, pens, ink cartridges, etc) that are used in processing him, then there's housing, transportation, and court fees. In the end all it did was create a job opening for some other yahoo to step up and take his place.
The bottom line is the more we regulate the more effed up things become.
The bottom line is the more we regulate the more effed up things become.
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PONY_DRIVER, your arguments have convinced me, so do not consider your efforts wasted here.
I shall find a candidate without a (R) or (D) to vote for and please believe that will not pain me at all.
If I am unsuccessful in finding such a candidate, (which well could happen because I will no longer support the lesser of two (or two hundred) evils), I will support the candidate that has received the majority in every single Presidential election in my lifetime.
Since registered voter turn out averages 55% split between R and D, the consensus choice is 'nobody' which owned a solid 45%.
Realistically, it takes me out of the game but, I've parted with reality before.
Label me, Idealist.
I shall find a candidate without a (R) or (D) to vote for and please believe that will not pain me at all.
If I am unsuccessful in finding such a candidate, (which well could happen because I will no longer support the lesser of two (or two hundred) evils), I will support the candidate that has received the majority in every single Presidential election in my lifetime.
Since registered voter turn out averages 55% split between R and D, the consensus choice is 'nobody' which owned a solid 45%.
Realistically, it takes me out of the game but, I've parted with reality before.
Label me, Idealist.