Who woulda thunk it.

All that 'political capital' Bush was bragging about back in Nov 2004.

What did he spend it on?

Democratic House
Democratic Senate
A Vice President called 'Osama' and Bill Clinton as First Lady.
Oh my sides hurt from laughin.

 

I don't see any Rep candidate now satisfying the true rightwingers. It is also interesting to see that the Whitehouse isn't weighing in on anything right now---perhaps, because of the conflicts over Iraq, higher-ups in the Rep. Party told them to stay out of it---I do not know.

As you all know, as an English teacher I am a pretty liberal person, but Hillary and Obama don't interest me. McCain, in my mind, seems to have a great deal of common sense politics, but I also do not think he can make the right happy, either.

I truly believe that with the politicians these days, it isn't truly where you stand, it is unfortunately what you have to say to get you votes...

Tim C.

 

I saw this thread brewing yesterday morning and let it go because I was busy (work and all that), but now I have a minute to respond.

Before I give my position on a candidate I have a question, why, would you '... wait to hear what he has to say about his ideas first."? WHY? For God's sake if you think listening to a 20 second radio blip in order to form an 'informed' opinion of a candidate or their position and then wandering on down to the polling station to cast a vote is good, by all means stay at home and watch American Idol or whatever else is on the boob tube.

Guiliani's positions are already known and out there for public consumption, it's called history. Too many people are too lazy to actually research a politician's history, yet they will happily march down to the polling station and vote for some moron to govern them for a period of years having no clue what they stand for.

Waiting to hear what a candidate has to say about his ideas is like waiting for a car to run over you to see how bad it hurts.

Guiliani Is NOT a conservative and unfortunately neither is most of the Republican Party. He is rabidly anti-gun - He can FOAD for that right there. Never should a citizens rights be subjugated, never. He is pro-homo. I don''t care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but I do not have to "accept" anything and no amount of b1tching, griping, complaining, or marching will make certain acts 'right' or acceptable. Pandering to the peter puffers is politically expedient for many politicians and it is sickening. Guiliani is also firmly pro-abortion, I'm not into that either and neither is a 'conservative'.

McCain is a worthless and shifty POS. I do not trust him as far as I could throw my house. I don't care that he spent 5 years as a POW, that does not entitle him to anything, nor does it make him a good candidate for President. That man has done more to harm Freedom in America than most. One of the most vile and repugnant pieces of legislation in recent years is the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act (BCRA), which effectively bars the average American from participating the political process, yet it gives the media free reign. You think he is a good candidate for President? His actions in VN are also suspect and his true colors shine through when compared to men like CPT ‘Rocky’ Versace . * McCain is also against many other rights which I hold near and dear (all of them), again not the least of which is the RKBA. He is a Manchurian Candidate and ought to be put out to pasture.


Our system is stuck in a rut and rapidly decaying from the inside. There are more choices than R or D, and remember this; the lesser of two evils is still evil.


Vader,

Since 1988

 

The problem is if you go on the premise that the lesser of two evils is still evil, then you are more likely to end up with the greater of two evils.

Let's take a look at the independent vote in Presidential elections for the last 20 years.

2004 = 1 %
2000 = 3.75%
1996 = 10 %
1992 = 19.5%
1988 = 1 %
1984 = 0.67%

The republicans had quite a run except for the Clinton years in '92 & '96 where the independent vote spiked to 10 an 20% respectively.

I believe that the independent voter truely has the best interest of his country at heart.
And that is how he does the most harm.
His 'good' vote takes away a vote from the 'lesser of two evils' thereby strengthening the position of the 'greater of two evils'.

The only way the would not occur is if the Independent candidate actually won.
The results above indicate this is not realistic.

We are trapped....like rats.

 

Is 'homoism' a Party platform plank?

I figured since you were a politcal science major you would be up to date on terminology.

I don't want to misspeak and embarass myself in a social setting.

 

Yep

 

I respectfully and vehemently disagree. That is exactly why we find ourselves in the situation that we do now. The Dems have been running progressively left leaning candidates for decades the Right has countered with more and more watered down and gutless 'conservatives'.

Voting for one of these watered down candidates is acceptance of their policies and further erodes us as a country leaning ever more close to outright socialism. I do not like that, I do not stand for that, and I do not accept that. Voting ones conscience is not 'wasting' a vote nor is it 'helping' the greater evil.

If the Republicans lose the election because 10%, 20% or whatever percent of the voting population voted for another party then maybe, just maybe they will reexamine themselves and regroup. I'm not holding my breath.

On the other hand if the Dems get in and implement or try to implement their typical effed up plans it will cause an outcry from the silent majority. It will force people to wake their boob tube watching azzes up and perhaps, just perhaps pay attention to WTF is happening around them.

The last 30+ years of public school policy has been to reduce kids to intellectual buffoons who have no clue how civics work in this country. Most people don't realize that the .gov is supposed to work for us, not the other way around. Many if not most people are too stupid to actually pay attention to policies and their outcomes and instead rely on radio and TV commercials from the candidates to form an opinion.

Voting for a 3rd party is not bad, supporting the lesser of two evils is contributing to the problem.

 

Have you ever read the Federalist Papers? What exactly is a
classical liberal school of thought' and how does it differ from what we have today?

 

no way

 

Yea but what he is saying (I think) is that by voting for the 3rd party you have no chance of getting a winning candidate and end up with the candidate that keeps the most extreme of their party.

Clinton only won the office in 92 because of Perot.

The powers that be have set up a 2 party system that punishes independents.

I'm sick and tired of the same coin just a different side. There is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Sure they talk a little different but once they get in power they are equally corrupt.

Look how long the GOP has had both the legislature and the presidency. We are more screwed up now then when Clinton was in office and that is hard for me to say.

These "conservatives" spent money like drunken sailors, made the gov't bigger and more intrusive and ignored history with regards to foreign policy. It's no wonder the Dems won the congress. Anyone who supports the current GOP hoping for a conservative should be just as ridiculed as anyone voting for Kucinich or Nader.

The sad part is, is that nothing will change. The only thing that changes are which special interests get the money.

I'm going back to my failsafe candidate. The pant-less gay candidate who is strong on military defense.

 

x2, except for that pantless gay candidate, thing...
They've got to at LEAST wear pants...
I know times change, but standards must remain.

I would have voted for Perot myself. Of the candidates backt then, he made a LOT of sense. But, I can't stand a quitter. Especially a quitter that tries to come back.

 

Dont let Donald hear you say that...he has a temper

 

And therein lies the rub. People don't vote for 3rd party candidates because they have been brainwashed into thinking that it's a waste of a vote. SFW if the powers that have been built a 2 party system? We don't have to have one, nor does it need to be that way. As long as people believe things won't change and refuse to vote for anyone other than a D or an R NOTHING WILL CHANGE! Change has to start somewhere, unfortunately we're a nation of pu55ies.

 

Perot would have been the best of the three who were running and a lot of what he spoke about has come to fruition. None of it good. I would love to know what exactly happened behind the scenes in '92.


Vader,

I forgot to say, the Dems didn't win congress, the Repubs lost it.

 

Hey I voted for Buchanan so I feel your frustration. But have you looked at the election laws? Perot scared the beejesus out of Washington and they have done their part to make it dang near impossible for that to happen again. Look how the numbers have dropped since 92.

Vote your conscious, just know the electorate in general are too stupid to follow your lead. They will vote for the person with the catchiest commercials and sound bites which is why the field looks like it does now.

We're screwed but revolutions are fun....what can I say I'm an optimist....


Whatever, its like watching a ping pong match.....back and forth back and forth...the problem is I think we are the ball....