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Old May 13, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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First the NSA is NOT listening in on anybody. From what I have gathered thus far is it is nothing more then computers gathering information based on “keywords”.

It hasn’t a clue who is who but can do what no human can do and that is gathering a lot of information for “possible” leads to track down. There is no law against it since it is not invading anybodies privacy, civil rights or constitutional rights.

Now regardless if someone agrees with it or not is NOT the question but rather:

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO PROTECT INNOCENT CIVILIANS?

It seems every time the government comes up with a method that can possibly help track down, find, stop and perhaps even kill terrorist there is a minority of American’s who are not happy with it.

So, what does the government do? What is their responsibility to its citizens? Should they simply sit there and say screw it?

Please, those who are so against this or wire tapping or other methods of intelligence collection please tell me your plans on how you would go about tracking down terrorist, would that be possible? If not then please move along and be silent because you’re not doing anything productive to stop the next terrorist attack.

I hope what ever moron leaked this information is found and shot to death on TV. I think that is needed in order to teach others who are trusted with national security that if they can’t keep their mouths shut and continue to assist terrorist their slimy terrorist loving life will be extremely short…
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
Using that rational, the government should monitor everyone that goes to rent a moving van; maybe if they did that, Ramzi Yousef wouldn't have have bombed the World Trade Center the first time.

Using that rational, the government should monitor everyone that goes to rent a boat; that way, maybe 17 sailors wouldn't have died in the USS Cole bombing.

Using that rational, the government should monitor the borders better; maybe those terrorists wouldn't have made it stateside in the first place.

Using that rational, airline manufacturers should have hardened doors into the pilot's cabin; maybe then, those clowns wouldn't have been able to take over those airliners.

Using that rational, we should just become a totalitarian state, one of marshal law, where a law abiding citizen's rights are frozen until this bloody conflict is said and done.
What I love about America, "morons with computers can post on the Internet."
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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Wrong. Using that rationale the government would monitor anyone acting suspiciously, speaking to anyone with known terrorist ties. Why is that so hard to understand?
Here's the part that's hard to understand.

Acting suspiciously.

speaking to anyone with known terrorist ties.

But the almighty protector, our government, instead decides to violate the privacy rights of billions of US citizens and lump the whole damn thing in as one. Don't even bother telling us pity serfs, we find out after the fact when a couple scumbag lawyers sue Verizon for releasing information without the clients' consent.

Why? And how? How do you determine who's acting suspiciously? Hell, the government knew that Al Qaeda was a threat ever since embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked back in 1998. The government was aware of a possible attack in late '99 when the CIA busted up some Al Qaeda cells in Jordan. In January '00, the government knew that two operatives were destined for US soil and were out to instigate an attack. On 15 January 2000, the government knew they were in California. They knew all this, and then some. And that's all from the 9/11 Commission. How would listening in on some phone calls changed anything?
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:05 AM
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What I love about America, "morons with computers can post on the Internet."
Well, if you want to make this personal with childish remarks, I'd be more than happy to accommodate you via E-mail or PMs. This thread or forum ain't the place for that.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
Here's the part that's hard to understand.

Acting suspiciously.

speaking to anyone with known terrorist ties.

But the almighty protector, our government, instead decides to violate the privacy rights of billions of US citizens and lump the whole damn thing in as one. Don't even bother telling us pity serfs, we find out after the fact when a couple scumbag lawyers sue Verizon for releasing information without the clients' consent.
That there is your problem ” Don't even bother telling us pity serfs” You do NOT have a right to know EVERYTHING the government is doing especially when it comes to national security.

That is the reason I would like to see any person working for the NSA, CIA or anyone else connected to national security shot to death if caught leaking information to a public that has NO right to know everything.

Get over it, there is NO Constitutional right to know everything…
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:10 AM
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Why? And how? How do you determine who's acting suspiciously?
Another easy question to answer. You get a group of people who are elected to determine what “acting suspiciously” means.

It’s called making a judgment something liberals can’t stand, but do every damn day…
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
That there is your problem ” Don't even bother telling us pity serfs” You do NOT have a right to know EVERYTHING the government is doing especially when it comes to national security.
And soon enough, we won't have rights to do or know anything else floating around out there.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
Here's the part that's hard to understand.

Acting suspiciously.

speaking to anyone with known terrorist ties.

But the almighty protector, our government, instead decides to violate the privacy rights of billions of US citizens and lump the whole damn thing in as one. Don't even bother telling us pity serfs, we find out after the fact when a couple scumbag lawyers sue Verizon for releasing information without the clients' consent.

Why? And how? How do you determine who's acting suspiciously? Hell, the government knew that Al Qaeda was a threat ever since embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked back in 1998. The government was aware of a possible attack in late '99 when the CIA busted up some Al Qaeda cells in Jordan. In January '00, the government knew that two operatives were destined for US soil and were out to instigate an attack. On 15 January 2000, the government knew they were in California. They knew all this, and then some. And that's all from the 9/11 Commission. How would listening in on some phone calls changed anything?

Gee, that's hard to figure out...If you have something to hide, I recommend you write your elected represnatives...If you don't like terrorists, join us in the military and help make them martyrs...otherwise enjoy your computer in the comfort of your home and enjoy "being monitored"
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:15 AM
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And soon enough, we won't have rights to do or know anything else floating around out there.
I just do not nor will I ever understand your type of thought process. Exactly what do you think you have a right to know about?

Do you have a right to know the complete battle plan, methods, process, strategies etc on the war on terror?

Do you have a right to know all the methods of intelligence collection and interrogation methods used on terrorist?

Is there nothing that should be a secret that only a very few people know about when it pertains to national security?

Should are military make it publicly known about all battle operations PRIOR to carrying them out?

Please let me know what, if anything, should remain a secret…
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by USAFPATRIOT1
If you have something to hide, I recommend you write your elected represnatives...
Here's where we agree to disagree. I appreciate and enjoy my privacy...don't you? I'm well aware that sacrifices must be made, but where do we draw the line?

And it's "representatives," Mr. Grammar.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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Another easy question to answer. You get a group of people who are elected to determine what “acting suspiciously” means.

It’s called making a judgment something liberals can’t stand, but do every damn day…

You can say that again. I'm sick of this liberal whiney baby crap! "My rights are being violated!" What a bunch of crap! The liberal left wing media is all the proof anyone needs that your rights are alive and well. These idiots who keep leaking this crap are only endangering our country and should be prosecuted for treason. Hey Quintin, do you know what they did to traitors during WWII?
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
I just do not nor will I ever understand your type of thought process. Exactly what do you think you have a right to know about?
That my private information, protected by the Telecommunications Act, isn't released without my consent.

Do you have a right to know the complete battle plan, methods, process, strategies etc on the war on terror?
Nope.

Do you have a right to know all the methods of intelligence collection and interrogation methods used on terrorist?
Nope.

Is there nothing that should be a secret that only a very few people know about when it pertains to national security?
Nope.

Should are military make it publicly known about all battle operations PRIOR to carrying them out?
Nope.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
Here's where we agree to disagree. I appreciate and enjoy my privacy...don't you? I'm well aware that sacrifices must be made, but where do we draw the line?

And it's "representatives," Mr. Grammar.
Excellent question ”Where do we draw the line?”

So, please answer my previous question:

WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

What is your plan on collecting information on possibly terrorist? You have nothing to debate or argue about if you do not have a counter plan of your own. Simple stating “my rights are being violated” with no proof and no counter plan is not sufficient…
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by USAFPATRIOT1
You can say that again. I'm sick of this liberal whiney baby crap! "My rights are being violated!" What a bunch of crap! The liberal left wing media is all the proof anyone needs that your rights are alive and well. These idiots who keep leaking this crap are only endangering our country and should be prosecuted for treason. Hey Quintin, do you know what they did to traitors during WWII?
Nope, and I don't see how it applies to this thread.

Apparently you're pissed off for whatever reason, trying to make this a personal issue. Whiney baby crap, liberal this, traitor that, join the military. Cool down and try posting again later.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Excellent question ”Where do we draw the line?”

So, please answer my previous question:

WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
I haven't got a clue.

God forbid, someone expresses an opinion without the end all, be all, fix everything answer. I wish I had the answers to everything. But I'm sure that you, that pissed off flyboy over there, and representatives of our government don't have 'em either.
 
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