I work for a Tier 1 auto supplier that is already in bankruptcy, almost a year now. We have both union and non-union plants, and overall the ones that seem to have the fewest problems with quality and safety and are the most profitable are the non-union plants. These are also the ones that keep getting the new products. The ones that are or have been getting closed down during restructuring, have the most problems with quality and safety, and are the most unprofitable are also the unionized plants. Several of our plants that had high quality while non-union have seen a decline in quality since going union.

Anyway, back on subject. I wish that the new engines were available now, but I suppose better late than never. I found out recently that another 1/2-ton truck is also going to offer a diesel in 2-3 years.

 

This started out to be a very interesting post and went south fast. Thanks to the winers for screwing it up. This post was to be about more power in the future and some dip s*@t started crying about the labor
This website if for Ford truck enthusiasts so if you want to rip them apart go somewhere else and do that! Im sure all of the foregin brands have similar sites.

 

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Actually, the original post does include the topic of the uaw and plant closings, which directly affects how much funding is designated to new engine development/implementation. So Im not sure why this is thought of as off topic, lets talk reality here.

 

Great thread…

There is no un-skilled labor, in my opinion that deserves $20 plus dollars an hour. Assembly, such as in an auto manufacture, is an un-skilled labor and as such means just about anybody with a heartbeat can do it. Skilled labor, such as machinist, pipe fitters, welders, engineers, etc do deserve good pay usually $20 or more an hour.

Think about it like this, kids that work at Burger King are the same level as auto assemblers and they only make about $8 dollars an hour. That’s right you can take some kid from Burger King and within a week or two he/she will do just as good of a job as any other UAW auto assembler because neither job takes any real skills…


However here is the kicker, you can’t outsource the job performed at Burger King…


So, while many more auto assembler’s jobs will be outsourced in the months and years to come that kid at Burger King has more job security then your average auto assembler. Might want to start putting some applications in at fast food restaurants in your local area…

 

"P.O.S."

 

And people like you try to create disagreements where there aren't any. The UAW is wrecking Ford--and this is a Ford truck enthusiast site.

Get it?

You're trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to convince people that if you're anti-UAW, you are anti-Ford which is exactly OPPOSITE the case. Ford would be SO much better and our trucks made SO much better SO much cheaper without unions.

Ford has lost FORTY BILLION in market capitalization in 5 years. That's unreal! Their plants are operating at 79% efficiency thanks to a very, very lazy UAW. Their stock has collapsed to nearly 50% of what it was.

Let the firings begin!

-Fatz

p.s. This site is for Ford truck enthusiasts. If you want to spout your union drivel go somewhere else.

 

Amen.

If you don't already know it, that's textbook Warren Buffet by the way.

 

I couldnt agree more, were are talking more than just people being overpaid, we are talking about the constant demise of Ford and other domestic car manuf. And someone else's greed and laziness is one thing, but when it causes my fav car manuf to constantly lose money, it pisses me off. Its pure hypocrisy to claim you are a Ford enthusiast and then root for the unions to gain more power.

 

I just want them to build a decent vehicle consistently. Both as a consumer and as a dealership technician that has to straighten things out on new vehicles right off the truck.

 

I'm Union all the way!

 

Unique moment of agreement…

 

If you’re for unions that support un-skilled labor I hope you like the warm weather of Mexico. I am telling you in the next 10 years or so any union that deals with un-skilled labor will be gone, out of business.

Why will they be out of business? Simple, if there is no one in America with a job that requires no skill there won’t be any reason for a union to exist.

They may continue to exist for the skilled labor sector, but any union job that requires no skill will be replaced by automation or moved out of county, known as outsourcing and the vast majority of Americans support that decision…

 

yeah, I support un-skilled labor since I'm bassically one of them. I'm a Union Laborer myself. why did I join the Union? I liked the benifits, retirment at 25 years in, pay and I like the work that I do.

poeple keep crying about union guys make to much and are worthless and such, but Unions will be around much longer then just our lifetime.

 

Have you been living under a rock the past 5 yrs, have you seen how much companies are outsourcing overpaid union jobs to other countries(which do a better job I might add). Also, how do you figure you will have a job if plants continue to close and domestic companies continue to lose money and markey share. I dont have any issues if some is unskilled, but dont just throw money at them at the company's downfall. Does common sense come into this at all? What part about if the company goes under you dont get paid dont some ppl realize.

 

The interesting thing to me is how unions "fight for their members" then dump them when the chips are down. We've been forced to close and downsize facilities due to the union demanding so much that we could no longer support the operation. So the members are layed off with little or no benifit from the union. Once they are off the payroll (and not paying union dues) the union says sorry, can't help ya. Now the remaining folks that still have thier job think it's a victory becuase they are now making .25 cents more an hour. They brainwash the members into thinking it's the evil management's fault for rising healthcare costs, insurance premiums, ect. This creates such a negative work enviroment.