We have a supervisor that just got back for a China based plant. If everyone live at that standard here you could make it on what they pay them. If you get hurt over there they replace you with the next person in line. You are on your own.

 

I'd feel a lot better about assembly workers getting paid what they're getting paid now if the products made it to the dealers in proper working order. For the most part, they turn out okay, but there's a few dead obvious things that someone should get shot over for allowing to ship out to dealers.

You've got it good. If you want to see physical, dangerous, and excrusciating, come work at a dealership service department. Some of them are union, most aren't. The vast majority don't work in climate controlled environments (be it summer or winter). You'll spend several thousands of dollars of your own money for an initial investment in tools, and you'll keep buying tools until the day you quit, retire, or get fired, whichever comes first. And here's the real kicker - You aren't gonna get paid hourly. If you aren't working, you aren't getting paid. Under the stupid draconian flat rate system, some days you'll crash and burn, working ten hours and feeling lucky if you flag half of that.

I ain't saying your job is easy, but you've got it better than some folks. In the summer here, ambient temps reach about 110 degrees or so in the shop. 80% or higher humidity isn't nothing unusual. And that's all amplified by engines running, pumping out more heat into the air. And we go 10 hours a day.

 

All you crybabies bitching about how much someone else makes, are the same crybabies that elect Democrats that preach incessantly how no one in the USA can make a living wage.

Well, which is it?

Do you want people to make a living wage, or do you want those that make a living wage to make less money, because you make less?

Grow Up!!!!!

 

I problem doesn't lie with the individual average assembly line worker. The problem is these unions holding the big three automakers hostage and squeezing out every last nickel and dime they possibly can, sure that may have worked 20 years ago, but the market is way different now, these large unions are dinosaurs and will eventually be weakened if not extinct in years to come. It sickens me how the head of the Canadian autoworkers (CAW) union sucks up to the liberal government hoping for more government bailouts, too bad for that POS that the conservatives, who he is so afraid of, will win the election on monday.

 

It sounds like you need to get yourself a better job. Many years ago I worked construction. It didn't take me long to figure out that wasn't what I wanted to do long term. I went in the military ( huge cut in pay ), went to school and now I enjoy what I do. I work indoors where it's cooled in the summer and heated in the winters. My experience with guys that work construction/contractors is they either love it or it's just a job. Sounds like you just have a job. Good luck to you.

 

I wasn't complaining I was just saying its not the Unions fault that American Automakers are in such trouble. You made my point. Maybe you guys should a start a union and you wouldn't be working your a$$ off for $10/hr or like GB150 said get a better job.

 

Construction is what i want to do. But ya this is way off topic anyways but in Northwest Iowa...thats all anyone pays for labors. Most of the big dogs around here only get 25 bucks an hour that own thier own business. I just work for one. So i cant complain about what i get paid. Well in fact i work for my own dads business. I shoulda stated it more on his side. His rates are 22 bucks an hour for himself and he has to pay his own insurance, carry his own tools, and find his own work. Now im 20 and going to be graduating from college this spring. I plan on becoming an independant contractor and still work for him. But then id like to see 18 an hour. But the only thing is...i have to supply my own insurance, tools, and taxes. So im back down to 10 bucks an hour take home. I love the work i do and wouldnt give it up for anything! Nothing better than taking a step back and looking over a new house that we build. Its a big accomplishment. It just seems that guys that get paid over 25 an hour and dont have to carry half the responsibilities as what we do and try to run our own business. Doesnt seem like workin by the hour is the way to go in construction. Basically need to bid all the jobs and try to make profit above your wage to get ahead. And its hard comparing wages from different areas of the U.S. The cost of living and everthing varies alot.

But anyways back to the 6.2 boss....

 

I agree completely, the Union is the problem. They are screwing thier own members, management and the company. I've worked in both enviroments and it is a shame what these unions do to thier members. Management cannot reward better employees and has a hell of a time getting rid of bad ones. Slackers keep thier job and good employees compansate for them. I'm currently in a union enviroment. One of my newer employees was told by the others to slow down otherwise they'll (management) will expect them all to work like that. Good employees pay into a union that will do nothing for them. What a joke

 

So let me get this right, you work in 95* temps under only a blower fan doing work that is so dangerous so you deserve that much money. What a bunch of crap. I mean really. I dont have any issues with someone making money, but when a person doesnt earn his wave and in return is contributing to the downfall of domestic car manuf, Im gonna be a pissed MF'er.

Ive worked in over 100* temps in a much more dangerous machining environment, and got payed what I deserved to get paid, and it was a helluva lot less than $28hr that the UAW is raping companies for. Lets face it, the union is hurting the employees in the end because they are making them think that they are worth more than they really are, instead of helping them attain skills/education that make them worth more. Also, just incase some dont understand, the company pays you, not the union. If the company goes under, guess what, you no get paid.

I could care less for the liberal *** Canuks and ignorant union states that think they are worth their weight in gold, those people are replaceable and should be replaced if it were up to me. Anyone who thinks that they deserve that much money for installing snap together components should be fired until they come back down to reality. And like I said, I dont have a single problem with someone making money, but atleast earn it, and when you are hurting your company, you seriously need to reevaluate the level of your greed and whether or not its blinding you.

And on a side note, I am not jealous in anyway because for me to make $26+hr I would take a pay cut.

And also, I vote conservative to keep down greedy unions.

 

According to the news release, thankfully Ford will finally take back some control from these unions raping them. Its 2006, times have changed, and you know what, I dont need a union to convince a company they I am worth a certain amount of money, I can prove that myself!

 

I agree Silver.

The Union is actually pricing thier members out of thier jobs. This is also true in the foreign labor debate. Companies are forced to outsource outside the US inorder to stay in business. If we could bust the Unions the Average worker would still have a decent rate of pay AND A JOB instead of plant closings!.

 

Union jobs! Tell me about them. I work at a New Holland dealership and I order a part for a New Holland combine and they backorder the part during harvest season. Why?

Because the person that puts the decals on the part is union and on vacation under there union contract no one is allowed to put the decal on it, so they can't send it out. New Holland wouldn't send it because safety decal wasn't on it. Unions have there place but they are getting to much power in there hands.
Northwest Airlines union leaders decide to have there mechanics go on strike while there talking bankruptcy, needless to say many with out a job now. I don't know what you people think but my thoughts are you go on strike when times are good not when your company is considering bankruptcy. Canada is a perfect example, there is a lot of people that lost there jobs because of unions.

 

I agree, Im in a line of work were the union agreements state that the employees are not required to work any overtime when work needs to be done and the company cannot hire a temp contractor. It sucks because the union has them by the ***** and it really throws a wrench in business. In addition if I do the work, they can timeslip me and get paid for the work that I do.

 

Aside from the model of your truck, does the word 'scab' mean anything to you?

 

I thought this thread was about more power for 2009?

Anyway. The UAW sucks, American car companies suck, Ford quality sucks most of the time, but I still LOVE my F150!!!