National Gas Boycott Day
so you want to go back to when the government set the price on gas? You know what that leads to? It's a form of governmetn called communism. The government determines how much you pay for a loaf of rbead, but they also determinet hat you will spend your life as a coal miner, or as a taxi driver, etc. so if you want to blame anything, blame our blasted free economy that allows companies to charge whatever they want for a product and if people pay it than tey make huge profits!
I am not advocating regulation but when the government allows monopolies, companies have to be held accountable. Remember price fixing is against the law in this country.
I made the mistake of bringing politics into these posts, I should know better; but be sure of this, politics has EVERYTHING to do with it.
Stockpiles have been collected at our (tax) expense to be use in just this situation. Stock piles were collected after the oil shortages and price gauging of the 70's. I'm an old fart and I remember waiting in line to get 10 gallons of gas. We were told then stockpiles are how we can be sure this will never happen again. Why are they not being used. The price of gas has doubled in the last year, what defines a crisis? If things don't give soon then we will all suffer. We can't sustain this without drastic inflation.
If we use just a small percent of our stockpiles it will force oil back down to the REAL PRICE. Big business would not like that and so...
I'll say it again and again
VOTE SMART
I made the mistake of bringing politics into these posts, I should know better; but be sure of this, politics has EVERYTHING to do with it.
Stockpiles have been collected at our (tax) expense to be use in just this situation. Stock piles were collected after the oil shortages and price gauging of the 70's. I'm an old fart and I remember waiting in line to get 10 gallons of gas. We were told then stockpiles are how we can be sure this will never happen again. Why are they not being used. The price of gas has doubled in the last year, what defines a crisis? If things don't give soon then we will all suffer. We can't sustain this without drastic inflation.
If we use just a small percent of our stockpiles it will force oil back down to the REAL PRICE. Big business would not like that and so...
I'll say it again and again
VOTE SMART
Dipping into our petroleum reserves will do nothing to curtail the price of gasoline. Our problem in the US is that we are maxed out in our refining capacity, so dumping more oil into a market that can't refine oil into gasoline fast enough as it is won't help at all!
Oh yeah, the primary reason we are maxed out in our refining capacity is that the environmental zealots and their supporters in Congress (mostly Democrats) have shot down virtually every expansion of the system that has been proposed over the last 20 years.
While I disagree with many of the things espoused by the poster from Maryland, I do agree with his admonition to VOTE SMART!
Oh yeah, the primary reason we are maxed out in our refining capacity is that the environmental zealots and their supporters in Congress (mostly Democrats) have shot down virtually every expansion of the system that has been proposed over the last 20 years.
While I disagree with many of the things espoused by the poster from Maryland, I do agree with his admonition to VOTE SMART!
Stop crying about gas prices when your all driving trucks getting 15mpg
NO political party is to blame for your gas-guzzling ways!
Drive a Civic like me...33mpg...drive the truck on the weekend.
Vote Republican
Seems to me I was paying 80 cents during President Clintons tenure
NO political party is to blame for your gas-guzzling ways!
Drive a Civic like me...33mpg...drive the truck on the weekend.
Vote Republican
Seems to me I was paying 80 cents during President Clintons tenure
Last edited by JerseyGeorge; Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03 AM.
Originally Posted by WLF
You can't blame the gas station owners, most of them are making less money now. They depend on the coffee you buy not the gas.
Oil is a monopoly just like the electricity that comes into your house. The deregulation started with the Regan administration. Republicans have average Americans fooled into thinking what they do is good for us.
Oil company profits are at all time highs and we pay more. One oil company raises their price and they all do and we have no choice... but our vote has plenty of choice.
Vote smart
Oil is a monopoly just like the electricity that comes into your house. The deregulation started with the Regan administration. Republicans have average Americans fooled into thinking what they do is good for us.
Oil company profits are at all time highs and we pay more. One oil company raises their price and they all do and we have no choice... but our vote has plenty of choice.
Vote smart
I don't beleave driving pickup's or SUV's have a any thing to do with the price of gas....as more flue efficent cars are sold, the price of gas is not going down...but up...If we all switch to 4cy cars over the night, the price of gas would not go down, but dbbl what we pay now....
Demand should be decreasing right now but it is not, if all of North America quit driving for a day, price would not go down...it would go up to cover the loss of one day's profit for the next day....
Today's V/8 engines are more efficant/powerful and roughly the same size as products built in the 1950's when gas was cheap, as MPG improves, we use less oil and gas, oil companies don't make money.
Inflation and production/ labour cost's and global demand is what drives the price up, It's to expensive for oil companies to increase production only to suffer a loss with more gas meeting demand.
not so long ago, you chopped wood for your fire place, now 3/4 us are wired to the gas company, and bitch that home heating cost's are going up...If you don't want to pay the cost of today's flue, your going to have to improvise by walking, biking, car pooling, or take a cut in pay to find employment close to were you live, each person's circumstance is diff. and not allway's practical, but it can be done.
Demand should be decreasing right now but it is not, if all of North America quit driving for a day, price would not go down...it would go up to cover the loss of one day's profit for the next day....
Today's V/8 engines are more efficant/powerful and roughly the same size as products built in the 1950's when gas was cheap, as MPG improves, we use less oil and gas, oil companies don't make money.
Inflation and production/ labour cost's and global demand is what drives the price up, It's to expensive for oil companies to increase production only to suffer a loss with more gas meeting demand.
not so long ago, you chopped wood for your fire place, now 3/4 us are wired to the gas company, and bitch that home heating cost's are going up...If you don't want to pay the cost of today's flue, your going to have to improvise by walking, biking, car pooling, or take a cut in pay to find employment close to were you live, each person's circumstance is diff. and not allway's practical, but it can be done.
I am not well versed in politics...My understanding of the new Hybrid cars is that they are now commanding a 10% premium over their regular models (Honda Accord Hybrid vs. Honda Accord...). They do not save enough fuel over the lifespan of the vehicle to pay for the premium.
I shouldn't even be chiming in on this topic as I just bought a new Super Crew this weekend...I think this one is averaging 10.8 mpg.
Just my two cents!
Regards!
I shouldn't even be chiming in on this topic as I just bought a new Super Crew this weekend...I think this one is averaging 10.8 mpg.
Just my two cents!
Regards!
Originally Posted by needpower
Bush doesn't give 2 sh@ts about the price of gas or oil prices going up...think how did the Bushs get rich...oil! The huricane shouldn't affect prices of gas, but companies can blame it on the hurricane just to make a few billion more dollars. Oil companies profits went from round 18 billion to nearly 25 billion when price per barrel of oil started going up last year. They are profiting from people panicing and just knowing that people will buy gas no matter what. More of our oil comes from South Africa than most other places and you don't here of any problems going over there!
The oil prices most definately WILL be affected by the recent hurricanes. 40% of the oil is refined between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. There are a couple refineries here that are cities in themselves. HUGE HUGE complexes. New Orleans is also a large port for not only good you buy off the shelf but also oil tankers. There are also oil production facilities located out in the marsh land. Refiners have been damaged as well as employees displaced away from the facilities. The gas price WILL rise.
In the Gulf our own production of oil will be decreased. I have pictures of the damage hurricanes weaker than this one have caused to some of these rigs. It's bad and will definately hurt production. I have family members in the business and am awaiting to see what they tell me about the rigs in the gulf when they do their fly overs.
Now, by Oil company, if you mean the companies refining oil and producing gasoline and other petro. dist. products for sale, then absolutely, they will be producing record profits. This is party due to them buying oil in contracts as well as them producing oil they sell. If barrels of oil are trading now for $70 instead of $30, then they can sell it for more even though their production costs for that barrel of oil has not changed. There are companies out there that only produce oil and some of them are still locked in contracts selling oil for $26 or so a barrel even though the new market value is different. High prices they can sell oil at with little change in production costs will give them high profits.
Bush doesn't have to give two ****s about the price of gasoline. It doesn't affect him. YOU are the one keeping gas this high. If people stop buying large vehicles like we drive and demand goes down, then the price will also go down to match demand. If people keep buying at $2.60 a gallon... and they keep buying at $3 a gallon... then they will keep selling at that price.
The oil prices most definately WILL be affected by the recent hurricanes. 40% of the oil is refined between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. There are a couple refineries here that are cities in themselves. HUGE HUGE complexes. New Orleans is also a large port for not only good you buy off the shelf but also oil tankers.
While I disagree with many of the things espoused by the poster from Maryland
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I do agree with his admonition to VOTE SMART!
or make a change...
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Well can you laugh at that.
Guys I fear my cynicism is becoming infectious.
Lets all be glad we are not dealing with what is going on now on the Gulf Coast. I'm sure there are fellow F150 online members who are not able to get online now who would quickly remind us of how lucky we are to just be paying higher prices for gas.
Well can you laugh at that.
Guys I fear my cynicism is becoming infectious.
Lets all be glad we are not dealing with what is going on now on the Gulf Coast. I'm sure there are fellow F150 online members who are not able to get online now who would quickly remind us of how lucky we are to just be paying higher prices for gas.
Originally Posted by JerseyGeorge
Stop crying about gas prices when your all driving trucks getting 15mpg
NO political party is to blame for your gas-guzzling ways!
Drive a Civic like me...33mpg...drive the truck on the weekend.
Vote Republican
Seems to me I was paying 80 cents during President Clintons tenure 
NO political party is to blame for your gas-guzzling ways!
Drive a Civic like me...33mpg...drive the truck on the weekend.
Vote Republican
Seems to me I was paying 80 cents during President Clintons tenure 
another point, the democrats gave all the money to south america to help wiht their farming and now look they took over the market. Thanks Clinton, and also thanks for all the terrorism in todays world because you were afraid to take bin laden when he was given to you on a silver platter
If we go on with this boycott, nothing will happen, the sales they don't get one day, they will get them the next day anyways, that is not going to work, unless like some suggested, we will not get the prices down untill we stop driving, or if we start buying mini coopers.
Last edited by Erikpn; Aug 31, 2005 at 10:36 PM.
Bush doesn't have to give two ****s about the price of gasoline. It doesn't affect him. YOU are the one keeping gas this high. If people stop buying large vehicles like we drive and demand goes down, then the price will also go down to match demand. If people keep buying at $2.60 a gallon... and they keep buying at $3 a gallon... then they will keep selling at that price.


