KC-10 FE, no disrespect to your user name intended, my apologies, and I wasn't bashing you, just saying, if you don't like a thread, don't read it. I care about other peoples feeling about religion, I'm always interested in someone else interpretation. I could care less if 23's will fit with a 2" lift, but I don't want the thread locked, let those that enjoy the thread take part in it.

PSS, good question. Christ says, all you have to do is accept him as the Saviour. That's it. As I said earlier, some how that doesn't feel right. My overall feeling is this, the Bible was written by people. Some other people decided which stories would go into the Bible. Later on, some other people translated it into English. No matter who tells a story, it will have a slant. It is nearly impossible to tell a story about the activities of people and be 100% objective. I'm not saying the story tellers spun the story on purpose, but what they relayed from the events depends on the point of view which has been affected by their entire life. English is one of the most interpretable languages in the world today. The sixth commandment alone is a night mare. It says not to kill, but those for capital punishment say it was misinterpreted and should say murder. I know a lot of people who speak Hebrew as a first language and I asked them what the word meant. They all gave me different answers. Some said kill, some said murder, many said it depends on the rest of the sentence it is used in. In short, the book is very interpretable, while I welcome other's ideas about it, I don't buy that it should be taken literally. As long as you accept Christ and try to be a good person based on his teachings, then it's all good. Nitpicking is a waste of time. Again, if you think being gay, or spilling your seed is a sin, don't do it. I think a lot of it is what you honestly feel is true and just, EXCEPT for the ten commandments, but that's my interpretation, and how I live and I think Jesus is good with it. Maybe in the future, or even in this thread, someone will point out something that will change my mind. When some people (I won't mention names) come in with a holier than you attitude and tell me what I am doing wrong, they've already put up a barrier to me listening. They may walk away thinking they are better than me, but they've accomplished nothing.

In the bible, a single line says it would be easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Does that mean all rich people will go to hell? It also says all you need to go to heaven is to accept Christ. I offer that to those that say the Bible is literal.

 

well thought out and well said.

 

FrankS wrote :

They did it to Jesus too , we're in good company.

I don't believe there is a moderator for this part of F150 Online. If there
was, they'd nip this in the bud.

I will tell all the heathen God hater one thing ... God is keeping record of
every word. There will be a day that your tune will change.

Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Do it before it's too late.

This thread has the wrong name , it should be " The world against Christians " !

The bible says it has always been that way and this cursed place is no
different.

 

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dzervit wrote

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I'll take hell with the other jerkin' off party animals & ***** any day of the week.


When you're on your death bed, get back with me on that. You'll sing
a different tune. If you have a death bed.

ThumperMX113 wrote

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Im a firm believer in if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior and have faith in him you will go to heaven.


Me too ! Acts 16:31

 

RockyJ wrote :

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How DARE you tell another person that his God is wrong and only yours is correct?


Well , either you're right or Jesus is a liar .

Jesus said : I am the way , the truth and the light , no man cometh
unto the Father , but by me !

Guess what , that makes you WRONG !

I'm glad the bible is the final authority.

 

Now you're comparing yourself with Jesus!! That's just too funny!

It's too bad that the best you can come up with in response to legitimate criticism of your nasty name-calling and dissing of anyone who disagrees with you is yet another rhetorical rant. I guess that means that you have nothing new to come back with and are reduced to spouting little snippets from the bible that you take out of context and twist around to try and justify your narrow point of view.

I, and obviously many others here, don't share your point of view, but respect your right to it. Why can't you afford us the same respect? As a "Junior Member" here I guess you haven't yet glommed onto the fact that we try to keep the discussions on these boards reasonably polite and civilised regarding opposing viewpoints. It doesn't alway work, (i.e. the run-up too the Nov. election) but we try. Perhaps you should find a place to play where everyone reads from the same page as you and never disputes things. You can all pat each other on the back and tell yourselves how right you are and all others are a bunch of savages. It would be pretty boring, but should suit your intolerant disposition.


regards

 

It's not me you disagree with ... It's the word of Almighty God. Ball your
little fist up towards heaven and tell God that He doesn't know what He's
talking about.

Pot , meet kettle !

That's funny , I'm calling people names ... please. Be a man and get real.

I should've obeyed the bible and stopped casting my pearls before swine.

This is my last post on the suject. I'm out of here.

I love a good fight but not a spiritual one with an HERETICK.

 

Actually it should be titled "The World Against Intollerant, Self-Righteous Idiots Who Believe Only Their Opinion Is The Correct One"

Let me ask a few actual logical questions:

1. What would you say is the "fate" of a tribe in the jungle somewhere that lives traditionally as they have for thousands of years, never seen a westerner, never heard of JC, never heard of the bible, never heard of Allah, Bhudda etc, never heard of all the pratices that are spoken of in the bible, koran, torah etc, yadda, yadda, blah, blah...

2. Are these people going to hell?

3. Is their way of life wrong?

4. Do you think ther're bad people?

I think I already know your answer, I just want to see if what I'm thinking is correct.

Man, being stuck in a hotel 7 hours from home for 4 days sure does leave you with lots of time on your hands. I must say, I've laughed my as$ off reading this thread. What a bunch of buffoons... I guess that makes me one too for contributing to this train wreck.

KC-10 FE out...

 

I've tried to stay away from this thread since my last post. I knew I shouldn't have come back. But I did.

Ya know what? I've read through all my previous posts all over this website, and I'm ashamed of myself. I always react with my emotions, and then come to realize I've over done it quite a bit, and not represented at all what I know to be true. Time to stop that.

While I used to share the same opinion that you have momalle1, I had my eyes opened about 12 years ago. Just consider some of this if you will.

Yes, the Bible has been written in many different languages over the years. It has been passed down from one translater to the next. HOWEVER, it's been the same MANUSCRIPTS that were passed down from one year to the next, and not from language to language. In other words, the original Greek New Testament wasn't translated from Greek to Latin, and then Latin to French, and then French to English, and then English to whatever. It's always translated from the GREEK/ ARAMAIC /HEBREW manuscripts into whatever language. It's not a progressional process. Sometimes, another language translation is used for comparison, but that's to make sure that the intent of the text is the same. Never for translation purposes. Therefore, for example, the King James Version, and the New Living Translation, are both translated from the SAME manuscripts.

Now, here's another area where people are confused. There are some 10,000 seperate manuscripts dating back to the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. People like to think that each manuscript would say something different. The fact is, they do not. The difference between them is usually the same type of differences we have with the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, NLT, NRV, etc. They say the same thing, but are written in slightly different styles. Never is the context changed, but sometime the way it is said is.

An modern example is like this. Back in the 1600s, the word "suffer" meant to draw close to. Today, it means pain and agony. Same word, but the meaning has changed over the years.

Another example is "sick". Ten years ago, you would understand that the car wasn't running well if someone said your car is "SICK". Now, the same word means that it looks great, or runs phenomenally.

Same thing with whole sentences. Example: In the 1600s, the sentence " A man should only drink from his own sistern " would today be rendered, " A man should only have sex with his wife, and should not lust for any other woman."

Make any sense? Do you care at this point?

If so, read on.

Most often, people who do not believe in the what the Bible says, fail to understand how and why the Bible came to be. Think about it. If the Bible was so easy to disprove, and so obvious, then would it really survive over 3500 years since the first book of it was written? I mean, if it was completely shown to be a falsification, would it have such a huge following in this day and age of enlightenment? And another thing. The Bible is not one book. It is 66 SEPERATE books combined in one manuscript.

I watched Penn & Teller supposedly expose the Bible as BS. What I found amusing is that all they did was set up straw men and knock them down. They never showed the truth from the other side. They used an anemic "scholar" to be the voice for Christianity. They never used credible evidence.

Anyway, maybe I'll start another fire and make this long post even longer in a new thread topic. What I'm implying by all this is that if you are willing to look yourself, and not be "spoon fed" what you believe, you will see that MANY intelligent, precedence setting men have set out to disprove the Bible, and ended up believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Like MW says, there will come a day that all knees will bow and EVERY tounge confesses that Jesus Is Lord. It's too late after you die.

Last thing to remember is that getting "saved" doesn't mean you cease to sin. The fact is EVERYONE is a hypocrite in Christianity. No one person existing on the face of the Earth can live without sinning. Christ alone was/is the only fully human being to ever live a sinless life birth to death. That is why he is our "sacrificial Lamb". Only by his vicarious death for us can we enter the kingdom of heaven.

Nuff said for now.

 

At some point you have to give these kind of people (Tightey Whitey or whatever his name is) and let them go on because you're dealing with someone with very deep rooted problems. Take a look at the things this guy wrote throughout this thread. You'll realize you're dealing with someone a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Religion is, through out history, that way we use to explain things that are beyond our comprehension or understanding.

The important thing to remember is comprehension or understanding. Time and time again anything even remotely homophobic is exposed as a paradoxical reaction to homosexuality. J. Edgar Hoover might be the best example I can think of. David Dreier is another great example. I'm not trying to say Tightey Whitey is gay (not that there's anything wrong with that) but I am trying to say that he has real issues dealing with the subject and gave up trying to reason through his own beliefs and substitute in a religion instead. I think some people need this for various reasons born-again therapy for alcoholics and drug addicts rely on this same way of thinking--if you can't figure it out for yourself, rely on someone else to figure it out for you. In this case: Fundamentalist Christianity.

All the major religions have these type of people. All believe the other worships a false god, all believe the other is going to 'burn in hell' for believing in a different religion. Well, except for a few predominantly asian religions that basically believe you'll live life over and over again until you figure out.

I would love to get a representative of each religion into the same room and just ask one simple question to start off the argument: "Why should I believe you?"

-Fatz

 

Answers:

1.) "The fool says in his heart there is no God". God doesn't hold accountable those who do not know the truth. However, you don't have to teach a child how to sin. A 6 year old can usually distinguish between right and wrong. Same thing for such a tribe. Judgement would be based on what each individual tribe member knew to be true, and how he acted on it. Otherwise, with God as a Righteous Judge, it wouldn't be fair to condemn somebody for a crime they didn't even know they comitted. God is God. That's the beauty of life.

2.) See above.

3.) See above.

4.) Not for us to judge. We can only compare people on a horizontal scale. We can never see the heart of anyone. That is between God and that person. Where personal judgement comes into play is when a person is confronted with the "Gospel", and denies it. That's the only time a person can make an educated "going to hell" call.

 

I saw the same Penn & Teller show on (Showtime was it?). What specifically about the arguments presented weren't credible? I've tried to find otherwise via Google and I haven't. I wouldn't expect Penn & Teller to turn a Christian into an Agnostic in 30 minutes, but I haven't found anything to contradict their arguments.

Concerning the the claims in your second paragraph--roughly 70% of the world disagrees with you:





-Fatz

 

Dude, get real!!

I challenge you right here and now to post anything in this thread where I've called you names.

conversely;


I still haven't figured out what an _ _ _ _ _ is. Care to enlighten me?

I rebutted and corrected that for you and got no reply. Care to comment?

Meaning me, I guess. Oink oink, baby.

Uh, that's spelled HERETIC BTW. I prefer athiest or evolutionist thankyou very much if you must call me names.

You don't want to have a spiritual debate with a heretic like me? What are you afraid of?



This is just too much fun!

 

First, let me start by saying that the 70% in that chart all have provable dead founders.

If Christ wasn't/isn't resurrected like the Bible says, then the Jews at the time of Christ's crucifixion could have easily stopped Christianity dead in it's tracks by producing the body of Christ for all to see anytime after the fourth day he was dead.

Also, the remaining 11 apostles all were killed for their beliefs. If Christ was dead, and they knew it, then they all gave their lives for something they KNEW not to be true. I don't think they would have gone to their deaths knowing that Christ's ressurection was a hoax.

All other religions have corpes enshrined or entombed, or simply acknowledge the death of their founder.


As for the Penn/Teller show. I saw it many weeks ago in a hotel room. I do not have HBO, so I can't view it again, although I very much would like too.

There are two things off the top of my head that I can remember now. The first is that they didn't take into consideration that the animals on the ark did not have to be full grown. Baby animals take up much less space. The Bible says there were 3 tiers on a boat that measures 350 yards long by todays standards. That's 3 1/2 football fields long, times 3 levels about 12 yards high each. Still crowded yes, but not inconceivable if God is God.

The other is the way they let Mr. Mier (sp?) explain his point of view about the parting of the Red Sea. However, I need to see the show again to remember how he put it.

If you could tell me the rest of the things they supposedly disproved, it would jar my memory more. I was in a training class that week, and my mind was wrapped up in studying the physics of Gas Turbines, so I didn't retain too much of the show after I threw my fit over it in the Hotel room. If you could give me some more info about the show, I'll remember more.

 

This is f150online folks.. not religioninthenewmillenium.com.. this is REALLY getting old! ADMIN PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!!!