To heck with that offline crap...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...new thread...

I wanta see this.

 

Are you sure about that?

I'm always interested to hear peoples views on religion, especially Christianity, but EVERYONE would have to be civil.

 

I love reading and discussing other views providing everything can remain friendly. Besides if it doesnt our mods will just lock it. I'm sure we are adult enough to talk about it civilly. If not we'll spank them if they are 18 or under and Jamzwayne those over 18.

 

 

Momalle, thank you. You have a reply

Let the fun and games commence.

 

You guys & gals bring up valid view points; but I think the consensus here is, do what you need to do to be an effective parent/guardian to your child, to make sure he/she grows up to be the best person you could have taught them to be, along with thier own common sense and ideals...


Not to turn this into a theological debate here, but EA most of what you stated came from the Old Testament. I'm not saying the Old Testament is invalid, but it was before Christ. Man, I was reading the Old Testament one night, and never was it clearer to me that, no matter how well I tried to live, I could not live well-enough, or clean enough on my own to make it into Heaven. So much was an abomination, and was wrong that I realized that many of the things one is not supposed to do, I had already done- prior to my knowing that it was forbidden. Simple things such as eating fish with no scales (Catfish) and other unclean animals (Pork).

But, getting off Biblical instruction and dietary guidance for a minute, and back onto task- let me just say- I, along with a lot of my friends, boys & girls got our butts whipped. I never looked at it as violence. I was not injured, and only thing the butt whippings did was let me know that there are consequences for my actions, and/or inactions. When words and punishment don't work, Momma has a can of whip-*** in the corner for special occasions.

Back when there was punishment in schools, children were more disciplined, more respectful to teachers. There were no Columbines, there were no 7th graders in Arkansas pulling fire-alarms then gunning down people as the ran for the exits.. Children didn't act silly in class because they knew Mom & Dad would come to the school, and not get in the teacher's face, but whip their butt in front fo the class if what the teacher said was true. Children addressed not only their teachers, but all adults as ma'am & sir, not yeah and no. Your mother was Momma, Mom, Ma, or Mother; not Elizabeth, Mary or Joanne.

It was a different time- and I think in many ways we- not only as parents, but as a society, have created rules to try and "box-in" how a child should act, how they are expected to act, and what is/isn't acceptable in terms of discipline- to the point that parents have no control, teachers have no control- and the inmates are running the assylum. I think it does a child a disservice not to discipline them- in whatever manner is effective for you. If you child responds to reason, use reason. But, if it takes a patch of skin off a butt to get the point across, take the patch of skin off. It'll grow back..

I wish corporal punishment in schools would return. I think we need it- but, our society has become a half-@$$, p***Y-whipped version of itself; so I know my infant son will only receive discipline when he's at home, and will not have the benefit of circular reinforcement when he's at school too. OF those of us that got spanked at school, that now think their child will be degraded or "beaten" (abused) by corporal punishment at school... Did that happen to you? Did it happen to anyone you know?

I just find it hard to believe that in 2005, a child will be physically harmed in front of 29 eyewitnesses.

I think we need to get behind our teachers- they are the backbone of our society- the most needed and the least appreciated.

 

Vader

Unfortunately we have discussed Religion before and it got rather out of hand.
The Mods have said that this subject is now "Verbotten" and I apologize to them for kicking it off again.
I will not mention Religion again in this post.
If you want to discuss, please contact me offline as Momalle has done. My email is in my user CP.

 

If I let my religion mix with parenting skilz, I'd be making a lot of virgin sacrafices and passing out lots of 'cool-aid' to thier friends.

 

CIA--I see what your saying and agree with the backing of the teachers. However with that said it seems the teachers are the biggest drug pushers in our schools now. They have forgotten how to discipline without spanking and want all of the kids sitting like little angels. Many of hte problems my kid is expierencing were things that I did in school and figured out they were not acceptable once the teacher placed a plank of wood on my butt with enough force.

As far as religion the only thing I'm going ot say about that is many times you can find a passage to support almost anything you want.

 

Here is my take on this whole thing. While I do believe a spanking is OK if deserved, I believe it should be done by the parents or other family members and not anyone else.
My reasoning behind this is due to the fact that I was spanked in school, in front of all my friends, for a "crime" I did not commit. Also, the crime was a very minor one in my opinion.
Here is what I remember, and trust me it is a very vivid memory. Now keep in mind that I was as A/B student and never really got into any trouble. I never fought, never talked backed to teachers or other adults and had never been sent to the principle’s office or even had a note sent home before this.
Fourth Grade, social studies class, Woman teacher.
We were making paper mache globes and everyone had to share crayons. I just happened to have a box of crayons on my desk so everyone was coming over to get what they needed.
The teacher had to leave the class and put another student in charge, you know, to take names of anyone not behaving. I didn't get along with the kid taking names but it wouldn't be a problem as I knew not to act up. Anyways, the kid ends up putting my name, along with a few others, on the board for talking. What were we talking about? Nothing, the other kids asked to borrow crayons. That was it. We continued doing our work. We did not play or act up in any way.
The teacher returns, takes down the names, and pulls us and the rest of the class into the hallway. We try to tell her what happened and she would not listen. She walks across the hall to our male teacher (my homeroom teacher and one I respected very much) and asks him to paddle us. He also would not listen and proceeded to give us all a good paddling, in front of everyone. Needless to say I was embarrassed, ticked off, and had a sore butt. After school, I went home and told my mother what had happened. Thankfully, she took my side (otherwise I would have received another one) and we went back to the school to confront the teachers. My mother explained what happened and my homeroom teacher (the paddler) said he was sorry that it happened. The other teacher said that I deserved it and refused to apologize. I have never forgot that day (I don’t dwell on it either), I lost all respect for that teacher, as did my mother.
The way I see it, if a teacher has the authority to paddle my child or any other child other than their own, then he/she better be damn well sure that it is well deserved.
I know if my daughter came home and told us she was paddled, based off of what some other kid says, there better be some hard proof that she did wrong. If not, I will do everything in my power to have that teacher disciplined, not looking to get her fired, but maybe spanking her on front of her peers would make her think twice about doing it again. Now, if the proof is there and she paddled my kid, yeah, I will still be PO’d but I would be more inclined to let it go and tell her to never do it again as it is my job. If my kid did something that bad, call me, I will leave work, come and get her and lay it on her right then and there.

Anyways, that my take on this subject. Corporal Punishment is better handled by family than by others.

 

Amen to that.. i was thinking about posting that myself but didnt wanna bring up any of those bible bashers

 

First off, you would think someone would know better than to ask your opinion on soemthing that could offend them (J/K, I think it's great that you bit your tongue, but was honest when they asked)

The store story is a perfect example of a parent giving control to the kids. If you never do that, everyone wins in the long run. By the time they are eight or so, you wouldn't have to worry about if you should hit them or not. As far as having to hit your daughter and the "hurts me more" statement. I can only imagine, it breaks heart to hand out punishments, and again, I would spank if necessary, but it would hurt me a lot. The point is to punish for the childs benefit, not out of anger or for your benefit, and that many parents are too weak to do what is best for their children. It takes a lot of strength to punish your children for the right reasons, and none at all to hit them because you are mad. I also agree 100% about the drugs. In 99.9% of those cases, some discipline would cure everything. I hate the "my child has ADD" crap, BS, we all hated paying attention in school, we did it because it was the right thing to do. Of course too much discipline might turn you into some **** S.O.B. that polishes the inside of their tailpipe

 

Of course too much discipline might turn you into some **** S.O.B. that polishes the inside of their tailpipe

Hey don't pick on RP...

 

Oh no, I was referring to this thread

and only because I did the same thing when I had chrome tips, I don't want to push Burt over the edge, he lives too close.

 

I think this was the thread RP would have referred to:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...=fudge+packers