Yep, I think I have a $50K policy for my wife and $10K for each of my kids.

I don't know where I got the double pay thing, but I've heard it mentioned several times in the past.

 

I don't think they should get anything, unless they had a life insurance policy like the rest of us.

It is each person's responsibility to determine what their liabilities are and then to procure insurance to cover them.

Although the 9/11 incidents were indeed tragic, the people involved were no more important nor "unprepared" than someone who dies in ANY accident in this country everyday.

If I die tomorrow because of a plane crash, that could be viewed as tragic. Should you guys have to foot the bill to pay my family a death benefit because I wasn't responsible enough to carry life insurance ? If you think the answer is yes, John Kerry loves you !!!

 

Nicely said!

 

true. but this wouldn't be classified as an ACCIDENT....i think it would qualify as war...aka "the war on terror"...they are the bad we are the good. 911 was there suckerpunch that started this war.

but whatever, you and rose both have sound and semi sound arguements respectively. i really don't care, i won't be getting any money. maybe i could sue the terrorists for not terrorizing LA. they are cheating me out of a lot of money! bastards.

 

So you think the family of the victim of an SOB that walks up and shoots somebody to get thier wallet or purse should get a couple millions dollars as well. Wouldn't that be considered a war on crime?

Who says? No one thinks that they are on the "bad side" it is only natural to think we are right but our opinion is based on the side and version we are given by our own media and our own goverment! Do you think that they could be a little bias too?

I'm red blooded American! As a matter a fact I also have 1/4 Native American. But I think us as Americans were a bit to concedied and thought that we can bomb who ever we want and nobody would come to our soil! Did we think there is some magical force field around our great states? It actually sounds like some might think that it was just a fluke, and it could not happen again. Or that some of the other countries we have pissed off or are pissing off now can't come over here for some mysterious reason!

I have news for you the best thing a struggling country can do to help itself out in the long run is to go to war with us. After we Bomb the crap out of them for a few months. Then they surrender and we pay to rebuiild everything we destoyed plus a lot more in compensation to rebuild the relationship. Similar logic in nature to what was said on the first page of this thread...

It was a joke I'm sure.

then another joke
we all know to well what that refered to.

So it happens all the time from the civilian level to corporate level to Political level. So why were we not expecting it to come on our soil? Or, why are we quote unquote to happen on our soil? As I like to quote at my office alot "Your lack of prior planning.... does not constitute as an emergency for me!" I do feel bad for the victims and families of 9/11 but no worse than the crime victim brutally murdered unexpectadley, yet as expected as possiable as dying from an act of war, accident, naturally or any otehr way. In other words you will never know the hour nor the day that you will die. So the argument that they didnt know... that holds as much creditability as Alkada themselfs. Frankly it is a load of money grubbing lawyer B.S.!

So who's family do you feel desreves more reimbursemnt money? 1. Military
2. Terrorist victims
3. Other Casulaties of War(s) Victims
4. Crime Victims
5. Accident Victims

Then how did you draw the conclusion that they deserved more than the others?

Mine is definaltey active Military, because with out thier sacrafices both in life and death we wouldn't be chatting about this right now and there would be no debate because we would be told exacttley what we thought about it, Or killed for saying otherwise! Everyone else was living normal lives like the rest of us, likely with no sacrafices in life "except maybe for personal gains for themselfs or family and friends" (just like the rest of us) but non for the better of man kind as a whole. (Like the military do for us on a dailey bases!) So why should any of the others be rewarded more for living a normal rather self centered life, than the selfless victims families that gave thier life both while living and through death? All so millions of strangers (that includes you and I) that we might beable to live a better life! Beyond a shadow of a doubt both logically and emotionally, I'd definatley rather pay our military for that!

That's just my logic though, maybe I'm off kilter!

Sorry for the novel, I'll step off my soap box for now!

PS Note (I do find it ironic that right now any country who says something bad about us or threatens military force against us is considered a terrorist country.)

 

who says!? are you kidding. everyone with any morals says....
we(united states) have never killed 3500 innocent people, atleast not in one sitting. except maybe your native american heritage...but who cares about them anyways

j/k about that last part. but seriously, i think it is pretty undisputed that they are in the wrong. and if you think differently, you are a moron. simple as that. thanks for your input...to bad it was rediculous

 

Who says there has to be a good guy bad guy? There is rarley a winner or loser either both sides lose a lot.

9/11 was absolutley NOT the start off this! There are several events through the 80's that led us having to bomb the crap out of them in the early 90's. They were the as you put it "unsuspecting vitims" caught in the cross fire from our war against Sadam, we said that we are done and for some reason we seem to think that alone should be enough for a war to be over. But they never called a cease or said they were done.

If you think that you are always on the "right side" that is a symptom of Sociopathic Disoder. You might want to look it up and tlak to your doctor. Nobody or country is right 100% of the time. So tell us... What did any of the countries we are currently in dispute with do to you. Keep in mind many current disputes date back to before any of us were even born? Also if we are Sooo right in this instance we are discusing, then why is that the UN, most of the independant counteries as well as most of our allies are all refusing to back us on it?

With all do respect it appears your opinion is based on emotion and a lack of knowledge on the subject.

 

Well, I was willing to accept your earlier post as just having a difference of opinion. But this last bit of upchuck spew is enough to make me sick. Turds like you are going to be the ruination of this country. The sick pukes who hijacked those airliners are evil, plain and simple. They have spent decades praying to their God for the power to kill and destroy anybody and anythnig American. If you think they just need some 'understanding' and then 'we can all just get along', then you Sir are just as big of a danger to our Country as the terrorists. Gotta put you on ignore now. Bye.

 

PS I do support the war, we can not allow anyone to act out aggression against us and get away with it as they did. But with an understanding of the history, I can not begin to belive that the only reason 9/11 happened is beacuse we are Americans and have free rights as the media and our leaders suggested. That's absord to think that anyone would invest that much time energy and resources to plan such an ellaborate attack. Unless they did something to them to invoke it sometime prior.

 

And how sir did you obtain that knowledge of thier relegion and wha tthey pray for? Unless you are a memeber of thier group you have no idea! other than what you have been told. Do you? What possiable reason would they have to pray for that? The peices of the puzzel that we have been given by our media just do not fit. Yet as a majority we are buying it, and I can not understand how something that is not logical can be accepted as a reason by the majority.

 

I can give you an example of the medias mis-representations...
Last Summer there was a Promise Keepers meeting roughly 2000 Christian men attended. During this meeting there was a small Gay Right demonstration going on outside of the auditorium with about 20 Gay rights activist. "Because Gay right activist feel like Promise Keepers are out to destroy thier life style." However the media reported it as the whole thing was a gay right demonstarion with 10,000 gay men in attendance. LOL There was only 2,000 and it was married christian men praying for thier families. But if you weren't there then you would think it was a gay right demo because that was what everyone was told it was. Gay rights demo makes for a much more entertaining story I guess and it was not just one staion reporting this it was several national bradcasting agencies.

 

Let me address that illogical question above because I my friend have the answer…



The reason many of our “supposed” allies did not back us had NOTHING to do with right or wrong or any moral convections on their part. The reason many of our allies did NOT back us was for the very same reason the socialist liberals spew about, it was all about the OIL and MONEY…

I was one of the first ones to post, way back before it was on the national news, that many countries like France (freaking wuss bags) Germany and Russia did NOT back us because they were on the take, they were in Saddam’s pocket, or more accurately they were Saddam’s puppets.

It is called the U.N. “Food for Oil scandal” and we are talking BILLION’S, yes that is with a B and an ‘S…

Yes, in any conflict there is good and bad, there is a Good guy and there is a Bad guy. The terrorist is the bad guy because they have absolutely NO logic for their actions or beliefs. They are brainwashed morons with absolutely no morals and thus do NOT deserve to live but should be slaughtered as quickly as possible by us good guys.

I will not accept the argument that all sides think they are right and/or morally correct if one sides sees absolutely nothing wrong with killing innocent people, innocent women and children. And, no we are not talking about the innocent people who die in war because that is a part of war. I am talking about specifically targeting innocent people, innocent men, women and children, little bitty babies that can’t even speak yet slaughtered for what you want some to believe “may” not be a bad guy since there is no bad guys.

There IS right and wrong and good and bad and I don’t give a damn what anybody may try to tell you or teach you, there is NO gray area, there is no “well we are not sure what is right and wrong, or good and bad” That is something people with weak minds say because they do NOT have the courage to take a stand and do the RIGHT thing. That is not towards you because you seem like a good person but maybe someone that had been mislead to believe the majority of things in life have grey area when in fact they do not. Yes there is some “grey area” but it is very, very little…

WE are the GOOD guys and terrorist are the BAD guys and I sleep very well every night knowing we, our country, our military, is doing their best to slaughter every got damn one of them.

The terrorist made the same STUPID mistake the Japanese did during WWII, they have awaking a giant, and the terrorist will have their asses handed to them just like Japan did in WWII…

 

Did I mis understand that or does it say that they are bad because they killed, and we are good so we must kill?

Do you honestly think that when we bombed thier cities prior to 9/11 that it was only thier military that we slaughtered?

I do agree that we have to go get them because the wheels are already in motion and we must retaliate! With all my heart I support my Brother, My cousins, my friends and the others in the military that I don't know that are over there taking care of this for us. But again I ask, what set the wheels in motion? I'm just not buying that it's because we have the freedom of religion or speech, etc. What was it that we did to get thier attention in the first place?
Inteligance has released that they have found that the terrorist were planning this attack for atleast 10 years. What happened around that time? Hmmmm

 

Nope, sounds like your beginning to get it…

Yes, they are bad because they killed and we are good because we are slaughtering them (the bad guys) every chance we get…


However, the HUGE difference is that THEY, the BAD guys “specifically” targeted and continue to target innocent people where as we, the GOOD guys, are “specifically” targeting the bad guys, otherwise known as terrorist…

So in summarization, yes they are bad because they killed and we are good because we kill…

See what I mean, no grey area, black and white, logically, moral, courageous and absolutely the correct and right thing to do. Told you I had the answers…

To address your concern about “us” bombing their cities prior to 9/11 and killing innocent people, well to be blunt, “oh well, so sad” but that is life, that is reality and it is NOT America’s fault that Iraq did NOT follow through with their obligations they signed on to as well as the obligations the U.N. placed on them.

As far as whose fault it is because of some innocent people killed in Iraq, well that lays solely on Saddam’s shoulders as well as the terrorist. If neither of them were such wussies then perhaps more innocent people could have been spared it is THEM, not us who are responsible for some of the innocent people dieing in Iraq.

That is like “some” people who argue it’s not the drunks fault for running over and killing a 9 year old child but rather the bar’s fault, the beer manufactures fault, the car makers fault, and sometimes the parents of the 9 year old child fault. It is ALWAYS someone else’s fault other then who is TRULY at fault…

 

Thats my point exactley.
The He said She said BS. Some fingers point here some fingers point there but no one has the ***** to raises there hand. IE we blame them and they blame us. We only know what we are allowed to know and taught to us by our media and they only know what they are allowed to know and taught to them about us. So no civilian on either side has all of the facts.

I for one generally don't make a habit of forming opinions or make decisions based on partial information. I don't know if anyone else does or not but apperently many people do. Generally though it's not wise or respectable. Sorry, I can not conform to mass logic and follow a flock of sheep with out full information as to why I should follow.

It's war, innocent people die in war, its called casulaties of war it's a built in statistic assumed as risk before we ever start! We killed some of them they killed some of us now we must kill more of them, Thats how it works. If they didnt kill some of us then we would be no better than Hitler, when we killed them. More of them will die and is likely that more of us will die too. Thats the way war works, so as the saying goes thats the way the cookie crumbles.