Is Fahrenheit 9/11 out yet on DVD?

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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by BROTHERDAVE
what am i back peddleing?



make up your mind. first you b!tch because he didnt act fast enough, then its making desperate desisions and talk of the launch of nukes. He has been there almost 4 years have nukes been considered?

since this is all about speculation , consiracy theories and thing that even you have to admit , the actual truth will never be revealed (from both the Democrats and Republicans).....
If on 9/11 after the president was told that 2 planes had crashed (do we know the actual words whispered in his ears) and you could put Kerry or whoever in the presidents shoes ,what would change about how that day ended and could have been handeled differnt for that 24 hour period.
I ask this question becasue it seems to be a point that MM and you feel so stong about. Usually when you complain about how a situation was handled, you offer a better sulution(arm chair quarterback but there is still something to look for so that next time it could be done different.
Now you are grasping at straws...
The school reading thing was a photo op with quite a few reporters in the room... their cell phones and beepers were going crazy... the timeline is documented.

Hindsight... 3 planes crashing into targets and who knows what else was in store at that moment... yes minutes are crucial, timeing is everything.
Deer in headlights is the sign of a coward, he's not the decisive guy you have brainwashed yourself into believing.
If I had to choose between the two to watch my back in a combat situation, it would be Kerry every time, and not the scaredypants choker. I've seen that look he had before, was the guy who had the most of his ammo left after a fire fight, and was out of our platoon asap. Its easy to talk tough after the fact, its another thing to ascess a situation quickly and act decisively, not play at acting decisively.
The thing is, this war wasn't even his idea, it's the PNAC's idea... go back and re read the volumnous posts about it.
It clearly shows to how 'directed' shrub is by others, the charter members of the PNAC.
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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I so completely hate getting involved in these political arguments because the reality is that nothing anyone says is going to change anyone's mind and whatever candidate you support, you will find a way to spin anything negative into a positive and vice-versa. But I just had to comment on the latest comments by loudist, specifically in responding to President Bush's reaction time on 9/11 and using it as a positive for what I can only think is intended to infer that John Kerry would have sprung into action quicker.

The reality of 9/11 is that we were all "deer in headlights."

In fact, in John Kerry's own words (from 7/8/04 w/Larry King on CNN -- http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...08/lkl.00.html)

KERRY: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting -- we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation.
According to the timelines of 9/11, the second plane crashed into the WTC on 9:03am. The plane that crashed into the Pentagon did so at 9:43am.

John Kerry sat in shock for more than 40 minutes. What was decisive and courageous about that?

I would not vote for or against him because of that moment. We are all human and we all reacted first with emotion.

Fee free to spin this whatever way you want, I know you will.

 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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Which gear would you like? I can spin it in 3 forward gears.

Seriously though, when the first plane hit it could have still been an accident, the second wiped all hope of that out.

I was frantically switching stations trying to gleen any info I could because I wanted to know.
He apparently didn't, I find that more than odd.

I don't for one second think that I will change any of the shrubbies minds, but might resonate with someone only reading these threads for entertainment and help them not get sucked into the shrub/rove lock step with repeated redundant rewritten history and...
E X A G G E R A T I O N S .



(heheh, got that triple alliteration in there.)
 

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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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Now you are grasping at straws...
what makes you say that? my post was about what if and what do you think. i never disputed the timing.



yes minutes are crucial, timeing is everything.
so i ask again and once again you will smoke and mirror it. what could or should have been done in those 7 minutes or the hours after the second plane hit and it was apparent it wasent an accident.
it not a trick question, it is nothng we have to argue about, just like to here what you think should have been done and how the outcome should have been differnt at the end of the day. so much is maid of the 7 minute i would llike to know how those 7 minutes effects our world today.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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Unfortunantly there is only one coward running for Presidnet and that is Kerry. Kerry has proved time and time again how he is a timid coward. He did it with meeting with the enemy during Vietnam, he did it when he stabbed all the Vietnam vets in the back and labeld them all war criminals, he did it over and over for almost all bills he voted for which were to cut and gut the military, he proved it when the twin towers were first attacked by terrorist by voting on a bill to cut and gut the intellegency agency.

Kerry is not a leader and never has been a leader. Kerry has NEVER had America’s best interest at heart he has only had his OWN interest at heart and he is showing it once again.

Thank GOD Kerry was not President when we got attacked because Kerry would have took much longer then 7 minites to act. He would have had to go and get permission by passing the “global test”. He would have had to wait and see if France would have ok’d what ever measures we decided to take. He would have had to wait and see if Europe would have approved on the actions we took.

What did anybody expect the Presidnet to do in those 7 minutes? This was not a conventional attack, there were no enemy fighter jets or bombers in the air to shoot down.

Should he have ordered that all domestic flights be immedentaly shot down? The lefist group, Kerry and company have NO answers but continue to use scare tatics against American citizens with their propraganda.

The leftist group continue to spew their radical propraganda thinking if they say it enough, long enough, LOUD enough that some people, the weak and clueless will pick up on it.

They have been successful to a point because there are many weak minds running around like parots mimicking the talking points by the radical left like Algore and Kerry and friends.

They have NO answers and they have NO solutions. Kerry talks the talk but can’t walk the walk. Ever time he tries to walk the walk he trips. He is spewing more crap about how the military absolutely sucks and can’t do a damn thing right, in other words he is right back to where he started after he left Vietnam.

His lastest rant about how the military sucks and can not do their job is when he talks about OBL getting away in the mountains. At the time Kerry had stated that they, the military and President Bush were doing an excellent job, now he has changed his tune, otherwise known as “flip-flop” or spin.

Now he spews about how our military absolutely sucks and that special forces are not worth CHIT because they let OBL get away. Since Kerry is a coward he does not have the ***** to actually come out and say the military sucks and specifically the special forces suck but he has.

When OUR forces were working with the Afgans in the hills were OBL was believed to have been OBL “may” have got away BUT the job was not outsourced to the Afgans because WE, our special forces were working with the Afgans at the time but Kerry forgets to mention that. Most likely such a coward should he actually state out load how our special forces suck that at the next ralley rather then turning their backs to him they might just whoop his ***…

Kerry is suck a weak, timid coward man but he has brainwashed a few people to believe in him, trouble is some of these weak minded individuals have NOT relized that if they support Kerry they also support President Bush because Kerry has been on both sides of EVERY issue which means at one time or another Kerry has AGREED with President Bush…

Just the facts, and only the facts…
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by BROTHERDAVE
so i ask again and once again you will smoke and mirror it. what could or should have been done in those 7 minutes or the hours after the second plane hit and it was apparent it wasent an accident.
it not a trick question, it is nothng we have to argue about, just like to here what you think should have been done and how the outcome should have been differnt at the end of the day. so much is maid of the 7 minute i would llike to know how those 7 minutes effects our world today.


At the time of the second plane crashing into the tower, no one knew how extensive the attack was, how many more planes, sychronized bio attacks, dirty bombs etc.
In hindsight not much could have been done.
At the time it could have called for a quick and decisive response.


One also has to look at the whole picture.
Why didn't the secret service whisk him away at that moment?
He was at a pre known photo op location.
When chief of staff Andrew Card told him about the second plane, he moves away right after dispenseing the info instead of waiting for a response, and order, a reaction from shrub.
Its very odd... very odd behaviour from everyone there.

If you have never seen the footage of his 7 minute inaction you can view it HERE. It is a quicktime clip and is 25 megs.
It is quite disturbing.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 07:44 PM
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If you have never seen the footage of his 7 minute inaction you can view it HERE. It is a quicktime clip and is 25 megs.
It is quite disturbing.

Damn! GW is cool as cucumber under fire. I wouldn't want to play poker with that guy.

Thanks for the link loudist.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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Are you trying to kill me with laughter again?

I'd like to see him on celebrity poker with Dave Navarro playing.
I'd pay to see that.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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Are you trying to kill me with laughter again?

I'd like to see him on celebrity poker with Dave Navarro playing.
I'd pay to see that.

I don't know about paying; but, I'd like to see it, too. Throw Charo, Brigitte Nielsen, and Flava-Flav in there and you have a pay-per-view.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:53 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:53 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 11:40 PM
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Hey loudist, kerry is going to lose. He has been losing since he started politics. Even if he ends up in the white house, he will lose, the senate and house is controlled by REPUBLICANS

Oh, and everyone know that a loud and boa****l man is a fool. The wise man is quiet and patient. Hmmm...
 
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 12:13 AM
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Hey loudist, kerry is going to lose. He has been losing since he started politics. Even if he ends up in the white house, he will lose, the senate and house is controlled by REPUBLICANS

Oh, and everyone know that a loud and boa****l man is a fool. The wise man is quiet and patient. Hmmm...
You've got a point... unless the fact that thirty-four U.S. Senate seats and all 435 U.S. House seats are up for re-election at the same time.
This doesn't get a lot of play in the media consciousness, and I'll bet there are big dirty trick shennanigans going on in those races.
The wise man is quiet and patient.
and medicated.
 

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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 11:35 AM
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first, thanks for giving me your opion.

Why didn't the secret service whisk him away at that moment?
good point, makes you wonder what they new or what they told him.

caught a lot of people off guard and threw a situtation that had never really been thought about. Bush has made mistakes, i dont consider the 7 minutes one of them, my opion. (kills so time in a movie that you are profitting from)

At the time of the second plane crashing into the tower, no one knew how extensive the attack was, how many more planes, sychronized bio attacks, dirty bombs etc.
since it was our own palnes, at what time were all planes grounded and who made the call, surely there were top level military and security people on this the minute that it happened.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 11:39 AM
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Pretty funny stuff Election parody





 
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