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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 06:20 PM
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Sometimes I think you get very upset that your posts don’t upset me to the point I make the some kind of derogatory post like you do to others.

Perhaps if I got upset and said something to you like:

”Your ugly and your mother dresses you funny”

OR

”Your an extreme left wing political **** monkey”

Would that make you feel better?

Well, it’s not going to happen, not going to happen…







Come on, admit it, the political **** monkey comment made you laugh…
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 06:26 PM
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The numbers of those who distrust the US versus the the ones that do, would stagger you.
Pretty easy to see why... the US has been messing around in the Middle East for decades, installing Shah's, cozying up to dictators, arming them, doing business with those very same brutal maniacs, making them rich which equals powerful, all while we turned a blind eye to the inhumane barbarism we mostly created.
We are looked as 'enablers' of very evil men, thus we are also viewed as evil too. Being supportave of Israel doesn't help either... you see, the Jews are hated out of hand because they are Jews. Its a religious thing.
Our excuse of 'the enemy of our enemy is our friend' works against us as they feel, 'The friend of our enemy is our enemy too'.
We are guilty of a lot of meddleing over there and it hasn't gone unnoticed by their general population.
This post is quite comical in its entirety. I suppose you expect people to believe it on face value however you have no facts to back up your claims. How could you, have you polled those citizens in the Middle East? Trust me you do not know and neither do I how the citizens in the Middle East feel about America. We can only imagine how they feel since their voices are restricted and when they do speak out they are speaking to scripts that have been given to them by those who would KILL them should they decide to “improvise” outside the script that has been written for them…
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 07:13 PM
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Quoting from Burkets Book isn't factual.

Try again.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by loudist
Quoting from Burkets Book isn't factual.

Try again.
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
loudist,

Since you seem to want to ignore facts and insert fiction then how about you PROVE to us Kerry’s testimony in 1971 was based on facts and was indeed factual? Are you up to the task rather then calling anybody who proves you wrong names?
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
This post is quite comical in its entirety. I suppose you expect people to believe it on face value however you have no facts to back up your claims. How could you, have you polled those citizens in the Middle East? Trust me you do not know and neither do I how the citizens in the Middle East feel about America. We can only imagine how they feel since their voices are restricted and when they do speak out they are speaking to scripts that have been given to them by those who would KILL them should they decide to “improvise” outside the script that has been written for them…
Like I said before, read up on middle east.
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
loudist,

Since you seem to want to ignore facts and insert fiction then how about you PROVE to us Kerry’s testimony in 1971 was based on facts and was indeed factual?
Again I'll post the same link:
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244

This time read all of the words.
 

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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 08:19 PM
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Nuff Said
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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Wow zacky, your intellect is only surpassed by your vocabulary.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:45 PM
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Zacky, that's funny as hell.

So loud, I take it your against the war? I'll admit I really didn't read one word of your posts or XLT's. You guys crack me up. Anywho, do you think Kerry will actually make a great president of is he just the lesser of two evils?
 
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by loudist
Like I said before, read up on middle east.


Again I'll post the same link:
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244

This time read all of the words.
loudist,

You lost the debate because you simply can not read and/or comprehend what I have pointed out to you. I pointed out and presented some factual basis for why and how Kerry lied in 1971. Kerry tried and did sale out his fellow solders all in the name of gaining political power for himself. This was a very selfish move and goes to prove you can not trust the man when it comes to national security of America.

Just come out and be honest in that you hate President Bush and no matter how bad Kerry is, no matter how weak Kerry is, no matter how much a follower and coward Kerry is that he is your choice for President.

It’s your vote but why continue to try and spin the unspinable…
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
loudist,

You lost the debate because you simply can not read and/or comprehend what I have pointed out to you. I pointed out and presented some factual basis for why and how Kerry lied in 1971. Kerry tried and did sale out his fellow solders all in the name of gaining political power for himself. This was a very selfish move and goes to prove you can not trust the man when it comes to national security of America.

Just come out and be honest in that you hate President Bush and no matter how bad Kerry is, no matter how weak Kerry is, no matter how much a follower and coward Kerry is that he is your choice for President.

It’s your vote but why continue to try and spin the unspinable…
Kerry a coward? What an assinine accusation.
This isn't a debate, rove wood.
You have held on to false claims and once more your retorts are empty, as exhibited again by your out and out lies.
Are you saying atrocities didn't happen?
Did you read the part where he was relating the experiences of other vets?
Did you read where he was critical of the leadership, and not his brothers?
Did you read where he admitted that he was an angry young man back from southeast asia, angry at the way things were being done there and the pointlessness of it and wanted to do something about it?
Apparently you don't cognate well, as these things are suported everywhere except in the swift rove shrub mesmer institute for the easily conditioned? BTW, there have been refinements of the MkUltra program, with its techniques used to influence weak minded irrational myopics as yourself.
You have become one of the automatons, following your programming.

Do you really think shrub and his cronies really care what the hell happens to us?
We are needed to fund the money machine, to be the cannon fodder, the be the oresman in the belly of the emporers galley.
The USA is now hated by more countries now than ever in history, when on sept 12, we had more of the the worlds support than ever before in history.
Its all shrub and his administration's arrogent undoing, and they have to go asap.
Kerry represents hope, reason, and experience to get us back to a prosperous respected and safe country, inspireing the free world to pitch in and help with support and dilligence to combat terrorism, we cannot go it alone, that much is quite clear.
Kerry can get an alliance going, shrub cannot.

The US needs to play smart, not stubborn. (don't confuse stubborn with resolute and plain speaking with stupidity).
We are in a very bad position on this world stage. We aren't the manufactureing juggernaugt we once were.

We are vunerable.
If China decided to invade us tomorrow, they could probably do it and be sucessful, our military spread so thin with commitment in the middle east, that here at home we are basically unguarded.
Who's going to fight here, the police?
We are exposed for the first time since WWI.
All of this could have been planned smarter and efficiently with spreading the burden of the actual fight on terrorism with an alliance.
We could have had many times the force with an alliance in the war on terror, taking out the organisations that actually are a threat with funding, training and safe haven to the terror cells (which Iraq was the smallest of players in those activities).
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by loudist
Kerry represents hope, reason, and experience to get us back to a prosperous respected and safe country, inspireing the free world to pitch in and help with support and dilligence to combat terrorism, we cannot go it alone, that much is quite clear.
LMMFAO, hey your pop-tarts are done…


Originally posted by loudist
If China decided to invade us tomorrow, they could probably do it and be sucessful, our military spread so thin with commitment in the middle east, that here at home we are basically unguarded.
Who's going to fight here, the police?
Not so quick Jr. If you and your other liberals had your way of taking ALL the guns away from Americans then that above statement “might” have some truth to it.

Since you have failed to take ALL the guns away from American citizens I don’t think China would have much of a chance (well they might be able to launch a nuke at us THANKS Clinton), or any country for that matter, of taken us on and winning.

Would the police fight them? Yes, stupid, stupid question you have, and so would the National Guard, other military we have in place and most importantly the BRAVE America citizens themselves would fight and KILL the little basturds. I know I would be out roaming the streets taken out as many as possible and yes I would be doing that by PROFILING, you know something you liberals don’t believe in nor like. Every man or women in a China military uniform would be shot dead no questions asked, and trust me when I say they would lose big time.

You prove once again that you really have no clue what America is about and what America can do but that is understandable because most liberals like you feel the same way, that America and Americans in generally need people like you to watch over us and care for us.

Well this is why you liberals are losing so bad. The American public has seen your cowardness as a party, they have seen you try and spew fantasies as facts and then cut down people like me who have giving you the truth and factual information time and time again.

You have not proven anything I said to be false but simply come back with some lame post that goes on and on about “black helicopters are coming to get us” and how America can not win any battles because in your mind America is a weak country full of stupid people…

Yes, Kerry is your man because he is like your people, a weak coward that loves to sale doom and gloom rather then hope and a bright future.


It’s morning in America and that’s because we have a strong President a man with ***** and the resolve not to coward away from protecting America…
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by loudist
Kerry represents hope, reason, and experience to get us back to a prosperous respected and safe country, inspireing the free world to pitch in and help with support and dilligence to combat terrorism, we cannot go it alone, that much is quite clear.
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LMMFAO, hey your pop-tarts are done…
Its simple, shrub can't do it.

Would the police fight them? Yes, stupid, stupid question you have, and so would the National Guard, other military we have in place and most importantly the BRAVE America citizens themselves would fight and KILL the little basturds. I know I would be out roaming the streets taken out as many as possible and yes I would be doing that by PROFILING, you know something you liberals don’t believe in nor like. Every man or women in a China military uniform would be shot dead no questions asked, and trust me when I say they would lose big time.
You mean the fatigued national guard and military that are deployed over in Iraq and not here? Like soldiers who aren't trained in police work, you believe police not trained in soldiering can be effective? Doh!

Prowling the streets shooting anything thats asian.
Sounds like your insurgent mindset is exactly like the Iraquis doing the same to our boys.
They don't like being occupied either.

Well this is why you liberals are losing so bad. The American public has seen your cowardness as a party, they have seen you try and spew fantasies as facts and then cut down people like me who have giving you the truth and factual information time and time again.
Look again, shub pulled the curtain back himself and a lot of america didn't like what they saw, except for the 'shrub mesmer' cult.
As for you providing facts? Your rove talking points with links and quotes to other 'shrub mesmers' aren't facts, its propaganda.
Yes, Kerry is your man because he is like your people, a weak coward that loves to sale doom and gloom rather then hope and a bright future.
Kerry weak? A coward? You must be confusing him with shrub, who weasled out of going to VietNam along with Cheney, who also stood on the sidelines while an insane war commanded by insane superiors was rageing in southeast asia.
shrub, who rushed to invasion with faulty intel mostly from one source
Kerry had the plumbs to stand up for what was right, while shrub was getting drunk and snorting blow.
You have that disphasia again, shrub is who you are describing.
because in your mind America is a weak country full of stupid people…
Only two that I am absolutely sure of.

For those following along, I ask you to go and read the reports on this site:
http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/n...ntell/home.htm
Also check out the people who are research, analysing, and writing the reports, well knowledgable in their fields of expertise, and bi partisan.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 06:17 PM
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Loudist--it is a well known fact that the war in Vietnam was run by the insane leaders in Washington (read LBJ). Gee I think he was a Democrat. Yes Nixon was President for a part of the war but by the time he was in office the war had already been deceided to be a loss because of the TET Offensive. Johnson decdied the war could not be won and started to let the Vietnamese run the war.

If the US was invaded there is an Army and Air Force command set up to protect the US. They do not get deployed they train and defend the US. Think about it with logic and reason if the US were to be invaded the government would delacre widespread marshall law and curfews would be the order of the day. That would put police on the front lines of the war. Depending on the agency determines the amount of training received, but there are some agencies that have outstanding urban "warfare" training programs. Not one of them would title it urban warfare anything but look at the training and look at the military's training. They are similar enough to qualify. Also look at the number of police officers who are prior military.

Edited to add:

Oh wait a second you stated police officer's are liars. So they had to lie to get their jobs all of them were brunt out drug users before they were officers/deputies and none were in the military.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by 1depd
Loudist--it is a well known fact that the war in Vietnam was run by the insane leaders in Washington (read LBJ). Gee I think he was a Democrat. Yes Nixon was President for a part of the war but by the time he was in office the war had already been deceided to be a loss because of the TET Offensive. Johnson decdied the war could not be won and started to let the Vietnamese run the war.

If the US was invaded there is an Army and Air Force command set up to protect the US. They do not get deployed they train and defend the US. Think about it with logic and reason if the US were to be invaded the government would delacre widespread marshall law and curfews would be the order of the day. That would put police on the front lines of the war. Depending on the agency determines the amount of training received, but there are some agencies that have outstanding urban "warfare" training programs. Not one of them would title it urban warfare anything but look at the training and look at the military's training. They are similar enough to qualify. Also look at the number of police officers who are prior military.

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Oh wait a second you stated police officer's are liars. So they had to lie to get their jobs all of them were brunt out drug users before they were officers/deputies and none were in the military.
And the first part of your post before the edit was so good...

The big question is why LBJ didn't seek a second term.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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" It's hard work." - George Bush
Anyone catch SNL last night where they ripped both of them a new one? It was pretty funny...
 
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