My observations on the debate....Bush had a "I can't believe I'm wasting my time" look on his face most of the time. But he talked to you like a father talks to his children. Bush didn't sound as polished, but he seemed to be talking from his heart (what honesty)

Kerry did look more polished, but talked as if he was at a fund raiser. I kept flashing to a dinner at the Kerry house with John at the head and Theresa and the kiddies sitting around and the old man saying "Pleeeaaase Pass the carrrrots." This isn't a rally talk in a normal tone. Kerry flip-flopped in the middle of the debate.

The whole deal with armored/unarmored HMMVV's is a mute point. If the Army had only armored one the Air Force could not get enough in country fast enough to make a difference. If I remember correctly a C-17 can only carry 2 of the armored one and I think 4 of the unarmored ones. I'd rather drive in an unarmored one than run around on foot.

Kerry didn't lay out his plan or anything. It seems he is running on the platform of anything is bette than Bush.

Kerry would have to war with Iraq only after building a large coalition, yet wants to go it alone with N. Korea. China is supporting N. Korea so cutting them out of the loop takes away our biggest supporter. Kerry would only go to war if the world approved it. That sounds like he is putting the security of America in the hands of other countries.

 

Excellent points, 1depd. That's a perfect description of the look on Bush's face. Kinda had the "I can't believe I have this arseclown running against me". Same look Fatty, er.. Gore had a few years back. Hopefully he'll get that look off his face for the next two.

Kerry was a better speaker but as was said numerous times, lacked real substance. Neither really stood out. It was ho-hum with a few good jabs. I thought the same thing: "I can do better" should be Kerry's new slogan, since that's all he gave us last night.

 

Is this a trick question?

Brains, and understanding the diplomatic process by having a career in politics, not "I guess I'll do this politics thing because I sucked at all businesses I had." - Shnub
The 'bb in a boxcar' intelligence of Shlub is out there for all to see, last night was fresh unscripted example.

 

HAHAHA! you guys are cracking me up!

Shrub was a bad used car salesman.
That look was a deer in the headlights (Xenarcs!) look.

Kerry spoke plainly, clearly, authoritively, intelligently .

 

Two things brought about by this statement.

1. An email goes around stated that the draft may be re-instated and people are up in arms that Bush is more evil for doing this, etc. etc. etc. Kerry mentions that he wants to add 2 new sections, which will most likely result in a draft, and now all of sudden a draft is okay?

2. 'Court the allies to commit troops'. France and Germany have already stated that they WILL NOT commit troops, I want to know what Kerry's persuasion will be to get them to change their minds, a trip to Scores for a night of lap dances???

And, he's calling our allies the 'Coalition of the Bribed and Coerced'. Making fun of those you want to help will not bring on their help.


Again, I like some of his ideas, but I don’t think he realizes how hard some of it will be to accomplish, nor do I think he is the man that can do. If his platform is I can do it better then Bush, then he needs to really step it up and prove that he can.


That is the platform, 'anyone but Bush'. There is an immense hatred for that man in this country, and the left is playing of it. When people are blinded by hate they do not need facts or truth. The sad part is there are enough people out there that have that type of hatred towards Bush to make a dent at polls.

There has to be someone better in DNC party, why they are not running, who knows. Hopefully next election we will have 2 or more worthy candidates running.

 

Well, one way to insure troop strength to man two additional divisions would be to:

1.) Get rid of the policy that only allows persons to stay in certain lengths of time at a certain rank/pay grade (If that hasn't been deleted yet).

2.) Retention bonuses for MOS's other than combat arms/infantry.

3.) Give some decent annual raises.

4.) Initiate the draft. (This is something that we should have been doing all along. Every male should be required to serve this country for 2 years between 18 and 26, be it enlisted or as an officer.)

I know #4 will raise some of your dander's- I don't care. If I could serve, so can you. Two years won't kill you~ it'll 'make a man' out of ya!

 

What Kerry wants and what Kerry actually does is two completely different issues. Kerry will NOT add any divisions because it takes money to do so and Kerry clearly stated that he would have liked to take what money is now going to the military, specifically the fight in Iraq, and would have rather spend it on socialist programs at home.

That was Kerry’s words, however you can’t believe anything Kerry says because he is always flipping then flopping but I can tell you this, Kerry will NOT add anything to the military, not people, not money and not equipment. It’s not in his socialist liberal blood…

Kerry has absolutely NO understanding about diplomatic process and his career has proven that. President Bush on the other hand has the experience needed for this particular climate we find our self’s in due to terrorism. This is not something President Bush invented nor created.

President Bush has the experience and values to see this thing through because he is a straight talker that tells the world as it is and sticks to his words rather then flip-flopping like Kerry.

Kerry will cause more deaths here in America and around the world from his flip-flopping…

Don’t forget your boy Kerry was so caught up in his flop-flopping he did a MAJOR flip-flop last night. Of course you most likely missed it.

The GRAND flip-flop of Kerry last night:

”There is NO WMD’S in Iraq and that is a proven fact…”

”President Bush has Iraq so screwed up that the borders are open and WMDS are slipping out through the open borders EVERYDAY…”

Hello Mr. Flipper, if there is NO WMDS in Iraq then how in the HELL are they slipping out through the borders ANY day let alone EVERY day????

Explain that one loudiest, your boy is done, over with, going down and there is nothing you can do to stop the blood loss. Mr. Flipper has been identified and it was well before last night but the idiot didn’t study his notes on his “current” positions well enough…

 

Spork... republican out of context dirty trick 101.
Heres the full quote:

"And now we see beheadings. And we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every single day, and they're blowing people up. "

He was referring to high explosives that are used in the car bombs, and you know it.
Sport, you are smarter than that to stoop to such disingenuous despicable tactics.

Now do you understand what I meant by spouting distortions and trying to pass them off as fact?

Get out the wood chipper, shrub is done.

 

I just went through the transcripts and can't find that quote. the only time I see Kerry saying anything close to that is when he is paraphrasing President Bush.

"What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way."

Bush himself has said that we have not found any WMD's in Iraq. Obviously we have found some, but not the one's President Bush referred to prior to the invasion.

 

loudist,

Your argument is irrelevant. Kerry stated there was no WMD’S in Iraq in one sentence then later on states there are WMD’S being brought across the border EVERYDAY.

So, if I am to follow you, there was no WMD’S when President Bush or the rest of the free world states there were but when a liberal states there were WMD’S there where, but different WMD’S. WMD’S = Weapons of Mass Destruction.

It’s starting to sound like you have been following Kerry a bit to long and a bit to in depth:

”I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against the $87 billion…”

”There were NO WMD’S in Iraq, WMD’S are being brought through the borders EVERYDAY in Iraq…”

”If I had known what I know now I would have done what President Bush done and gone into Iraq, If I had known what I know now I would NOT have gone into Iraq…”

”Saddam is a dangerous threat to this country and our security, Saddam is NOT a threat to this country or our security…”

“I would send in more troops and build up our military, we should have used the $200 billion spent on this war on social programs for our citizens…”

“I am going to do the same things President Bush is doing in Iraq just better, I would not do any of the things President Bush has done in Iraq because it’s the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place…”

“I agree with the war on Iraq, I disagree with the war on Iraq, I kind of agree with the war on Iraq but would do it better…”

“America does NOT need the worlds permission to act in self defense, We need global approval (same as world permission just a spin on the verbage) to act in self defense of America…”

“I would never seek the worlds permission to act in self defense, I would look for global approval to act in self defense of America…”

You starting to see a pattern here?

And the winner of the day is:

John Kerry, is the war in Iraq worth it?
”It depends on the outcome…”

Now there’s a statemens like answer. The would be like asking someone, are you going to vote on Monday nights football game? It depends on who wins…

Yes, you have a winner on your hands, the spin master, the master of flip-flop and the king of cowardness.

You go girl…

 

Burt, where did Kerry say GLOBAL APPROVAL? He said GLOBAL TEST and went on to explain what that meant. You can get a copy of the transcripts many places...

"But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you‘re doing what you‘re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."

Burt, you can do better than this, you accuse people of putting a spin on things, what do you call this? Even though you are usually wrong I generally expect things from you to be pretty factual, even if they are only the facts that support your statement

 

For the undecided voter Kerry your man because at one time or another he’s been on every side of every issue at least twice.

 

Ok, I admit I made a mistake using “approval” rather then “test” but tell me what is the difference? Kerry’s use of the word “test” has basically the same meaning as “approval”. The point is Kerry flip-flopped once again. He states in one sentence that we, America, need no ones permission to protect our self and then in another sentence states we need to pass some global “test”.

Kerry does not have the courage to do the right thing when needed, he does not have the courage to actually lead. Kerry wants all the kids in the playground to like him so he wants to make sure he has their “approval” or passes their “test” before he actually “tries” to lead even though it would actually be following. Kerry is a follower and proves that by his lame uncourageous excuse of needing to pass a “global test” prior to actually leading or making a decision.

I am sorry but that is not somebody you want leading a country especially in dangerous times.

If, on one hand, we don’t need anybodies permission then why does it matter if we pass some “test” to gain the worlds (global) “permission” or “approval”?

By the way, WHO grades this test? The United Nations?

Mr. Kerry America has just been struck by a major terrorist attack that has slaughtered over 3,000 innocent children, women and men. What are you going to do?”

Kerry – “I am going to take a test…”


By the way I am right, even when I am wrong I will always be more right then you...

 

Yes, you post as though you are assured of shrubs victory, but you are truly freaking out.
Shrub had made a fool of himself, and you are doing the same in your retaliation by taking phrases out of context.
Doesn't change the fact that Shub is done, he's over, wait till the next debate, it'll be a bloodbath, and nothing you can twist, distort, and out and out lie by omission can do about it.

I laugh at your sorrow.
I revel in shrubs dishonor.
We suffer the fools of inanity.

 

That's going to be like when Clinton said he was going to put a million more cops on the street. I WAS A COP THEN and we saw NO extra cops on the street. It was just a way to sucker more taxes out of us. How can you tell if John Kerry is lying? His lips are moving. Pull your head out loudist!