LARIOT...Please take that link down. No matter what the debate is about, whos winning, who had the best answers or who spoke better. No matter who here on this site says Bush, or who says Kerry..NOBODY and I mean nobody should see that beheading video. I just watched it in its entirety with my sound turned up. It was the most horrible thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I honestly don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight. Those bastards need to pay for this. If anyone has not seen this video, your lucky. Dont watch it!!

Now ,,,back to the debate.

Go Bush!!

 

Those debates are rather pointless in my opinion. I suppose if you only watch the 6:30 evening news or pay no attention at all to politics, it might be worth watching - to figure out who's the conservative and who's the liberal. All anyone needs to know is that Bush is a conservative and Kerry is a liberal. You know from that what they'll do while in office, for the most part.

This isn't the ONLY issue that concerns me, but it's one of them...
In the interest of demonstrating absurdity by being completely absurd myself...I hereby demand that it be perfectly legal to assault a 6 or 7 month (or any length of pregnancy for that matter) woman in such a way that you cause her to have a miscarriage. After all, we may as well be fair about it. If a doctor can cause the unborn to die in the doctor's office...even up to the weeks where the child can live outside the womb (ever heard of preemie???), we may as well allow the man on the street to have the same privilege to exercise his 'choice'. Yes, that's absurd. But that's my point. I'd like to see Kerry explain that one to me. How he can support something like partial birth abortion. Of course, he'll try to explain it away by saying he supports a ban as long as there's a health/life of the mother exception - and of course 'health of the mother' could be anything...like her 'mental health', etc. The thing that gets me is the only difference between a woman that walks down the street to the abortion clinic and the woman that walks down the same street and in the process gets assaulted (causing her to lose her child) is that one of the women doesn't want the child and the other does. Think maybe we have a moral dilemma? How are we any better than the **** doctors that performed cruel experiments on the Jews if we as a society allow something such as partial birth abortion, for example. Sad.
If I didn't think I'd get slapped, misunderstood or punched, whenever someone near me comments on how sad it is that someone like Lacy Peterson and her almost born/almost 9 month pregnant baby were murdered...I'd say "So what?...it's just a fetus...isn't it?" That's where I'd be demonstrating absurdity by being absurd myself, to make a point - but I don't think some people would appreciate it and take it the wrong way. People don't like to think about this subject for some reason, maybe because it makes them uncomfortable with their own position. I don't know. You can bet your a** that anyone that decides to have a baby - even pro-abortion people - are very protective of their tummy and would be very upset if someone kicked them in the stomach and caused a miscarriage. But why?...it's just a fetus isn't it? Why should they care?

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm

 

In all seriousness that link must be removed from this site. Although public domain it is completely uncalled for and the less attention that video gets the better. Remove it.

 

 

Lariet - Thank you for removing that link - kids should not see that video as disturbing as it is. These people are animals and need to be dealt with as soon as possible, before they kill like this again.

 

I removed the link. I just can't understand how a human being can do something like that to another human. It must require no soul and pure evil. In the interest of justice though, the murderer should at least get what he gave to Armstrong. This is one screwed up world we live in.

 

I agree the link shouldn’t be here and now it’s gone and that’s good. However the point of that link is you have people like Kerry and the extreme left running around trying to tell everyone that there is NO terrorist in Iraq, that there never were any terrorist in Iraq, and that Iraq never supported terrorist.

I don’t know about the others but anybody that would cut someone’s head off would be a terrorist by my definition, but then again that’s just my opinion…

And these NON-terrorist, by the lefts definition, are really not in Iraq so I guess it’s a figment of our imagination…

These are the people Kerry said and continues to state are NOT terrorist and continues to state are not in Iraq. Guess Kerry watches to much CBS where their motto is:

”The truth is absolutely NOT relevant, only want people feel…”

 

Lariat, send me that link, I missed it. I could use some more hatred-fuel for today. People should watch it, understand what fruitloops we are dealing with, and support nuking the middle east. I think we should brew just as much hatred for the jackarses as we can, then maybe we'll get some support and more folks enlisting to go kick some terrorist towelhead ****.

 

Sport:
I dont think anyone in the Democratic party or the far left is going around saying that there are no terrorist in Iraq. Kerry pointed out last night that the boarders are not secure and now there are more terrorist/Muslim extremist inside Iraq then ever before.

To fellow posters:

These threads have degenerated into alot of trash talk and one sided arguments and at this point I am going to call them just plain silly.

I hope alot of you extremist both on the right and left will come back to your senses and meet somewhere in the middle on common ground like most of us folks do. Extremism wether you call it Liberalism or Conservitavism is damaging to our country.

When you blindly follow some indoctrination without looking at both sides of issues you discredit your own arguments/debates. Its one of the first things they will teach you in a Critical Thinking classes or debate classes.

Our nation works from the middle that is where we are far stronger and get more work done then if we were to become polarized and close minded.

 

I find it slighly amusing sooo many people are sickened by the beheadings. Folks, this type of execution has been around since the beginning of man. In many countries of the world, it's still considered a clean, and quick, form of execution. Sure, it's pretty f'd up when they're crude about it with a 4 inch knife, but also, they think very differently about that sort of thing over in "that part" of the world. They just know it "shocks" the Westerners, and that's why they've chosen that method.

I mean what's worse, someone getting beheaded, or a kid burning to death because he got a little too close to a napalm bomb?

I'm sure we all saw the burn bodies strung up a couple of months back, that's far worse. Remember the bodies of shot up American G.I.'s they were showing?

Believe me, I would have lobbed a Tomahawk into the cheering crowd when they strung up the bodies, but my point is, what we perceive as shocking, is just par for the course in other places of the world.

 

Bean

I don't get it- so you find this form of execution acceptable because it's used in that part of the world? Thats crazy. There are inhumane ways of killing, pure tortue for the victum. These people took great pleasure in killing this person this way, and even ensured an easy cleanup by laying down plastic.

 

Note: Kerry wants to add 2 new divisions to the active Army because he sees that we're under-strength, having to call up the guard, initiating stop-loss, people that are in can't get out, etc... The mistakes made after we "handled" Iraq in 1991 are biting us in our collective butts today. Two divisions (30,000 troops) won't make a whole heck of a lot of difference either- unless their are two "@ID" sized divisions (25,000+) each.

That would bring us to 12, whereas the army used to have 15 divisions prior to the Cut & Gut from Bush/Quayle/Cheney 1988-1992 after the Persian Gulf War.

Also: He was talking about stopping the bunker-busting nuke program; that's us "growing" our program, not freezing, or halting... Not that I agree, but- that's what he said. I like the idea, 'Nuke 'em!!'

 

I don't find it acceptable, but at the same time, I don't find it "shocking".

I'm saying that it has far more impact on us than it does upon them.

 

I would like Kerry to tell us where these divisions are going to come from? The magic division store? I think its a great idea but perhaps harder than he might think. Lets hope that if America ever experiences an era of prosperity and relative peace like the one we had after the first gulf war that we would now be wise enough to maintain defense spending at its proper level. The cut and gut was carried out by Goerge bush sr. and continued under Clinton but they did it b/c thats what the public wanted, less defense spending. From now on I'll think long and hard about any candidate at any level that wants to cut defense spending.

 

BEAN..im not bashing you by any means, but, I wanted that link removed due to the graphic nature of it. Did I find it shocking?Yes I did. Do I find it shocking that this stuff goes on in this world? No. We all know the world today is an effed up place. I'll try to say this without sounding like an ***...beheading is one thing, its been around forever, your right. but the way this one was..a little 4 inch friggin knife that couldnt cut through hot butter is an entire different story. They didnt behead that man, they sawed his head off in a grousome (sp) manner. I know there are a few younger members on this site and who knows how many others just drop in to read our crazyness which we post everyday. I felt , although the world needs to know there are animals like this out there, that link just didnt need to be here for them to see. Yeh I know you can search the internet and find it. But it was just to easy and convenient to have the link posted right in front of there face.

You say it has far more impact on us then it does them. You are correct, because those people are animals with no morals. We, the USA, on the other hand are not (for the most part). THat type of crap goes on everyday over there and the people are used to it. Not that you can ever get used to that type of violence, but you just dont see that stuff here in the states, and thats why it is such a shocker to most people when they do see it.

I say if you want to show anyone, send it to Kerry, maybe he will get the hint and realize that there IS a problem over there and ther ARE terrorists in Iraq, and if he gets in office (which I doubt) he needs to understand that he cant just say that in 6 months things are going to be fine and he will be able to start pulling troops out. What does he think hes gonna do, go over there and say"ok guys...group hug, now lets all get along" and take everyone home? I dont think so.

LARIAT..thank you for pulling down the link. I commend you for that. And I do understand the point you were trying to make.

D...if he sends it to you, be ready, its pretty nasty, and hits you hard to see and hear what that man went through. Even for an insensitive neanderthal like you