I'm not sure I should post the link to this because it almost made me vomit (literally) after only seeing a few seconds of it. Inhumane, disgusting, heartbreaking...you name it. I didn't even listen to the audio. It's the beheading video of Eugene Armstrong. I do think it's important to remember the type of enemy we're dealing with as we elect our next commander-in-chief. There really is no other solution than the execution/eradication of these terrorists. What gets me is some countries in this world (and people in our own country) would refuse to execute someone like the terrorist moron that beheaded Armstrong in this video. That to me just seems so very wrong.

WARNING: link to extremely graphic video & short story...

(removed link at request of brewdude - i can understand your point - it's sick...still think people should know what kind of animals these people are)

 

Iraq isnt next door to Afghanistan take a geography lesson. Pointing out that the job wasnt finished in Afghanistan really should wake you up to the fact that the real terrorist threat wasnt taken care of.

But that doesnt matter right?

 

See, this is a great example of one of the two main philosophies at work.


Kerry:

Find proof first, make us believe you're a threat to us, then we'll deal with you, along with a union of other nations.


Bush:

We know you hate us, we know you've tossed SCUDS at Israel, and that you've gassed your own people, we're not going to sit around and wait for you to prove you're a REAL theat to us by setting off a dirty nuke in Times Square.

 

Thanks Fatman, that's exactly my point I was trying to get at. I love how loudist twisted it. Classic.

Bean, you beat me to it.

jvernacchio, I know my geography. Iran is between Afgan & Iraq. It's still a stones-throw away in the grand scheme of things. Pick a better argument than that. And what where we supposed to do? Toss all our forces into the mountains?! That's military suicide. How many armies got slaughters by thinking "Oh yeah, we can beat them in the mountains!".

We already nailed a HUGE majority of the Taliban idiots. We'll get Osama when we go the intel and opportunity. Freeing Iraq is a good thing... what's the problem?!

 

Hahaha, you hysterical shrubbies are grasping at straws laced with lies and distortions, out of context sound bites... ypur belief system is crumbleing under the weight of a giant simpleton.
shrub is going down, and thank god for that.

 

I don't think I agree with that first part.

Last night Kerry was the better speaker, but he seemed too rehearsed. We all know where Bush stands on issues and anyone who has followed Bush's previous speeches can pretty much know what to expect to come out of Bush's mouth. I'm sure this made it very easy for Kerry to plan rebuttal’s, which being more prepared would make him seem like the better speaker. His “snobbish and aloof” attitude pushed this further we me.

On the other hand, Bush made more speaking mistakes, stumbled with his words, took a little time to think before he blurted things out and gave more sincere and down to earth answers then Kerry.


Kerry did make some good points last night, but it's the man behind the ideas that is lacking. He focused a lot on talking about uniting the world, yet I don't think he realizes just how hard that is to accomplish. People stand by those with confidence and that stick to their beliefs. Not those with arrogance and flakey stances.

His ideas about N. Korea, all his talk about uniting the world against terrorism and he's ready to cut out China, Japan and others already involved. Bush is correct in that it would be a slap in the face to those countries helping us out.


I did like his comment about ending our nuclear weapons programs, that if we want the world to follow we have to do it also. I would never agree with the US doing that, but the ‘do what I say not what I do’ principle isn’t always the best.

 

lol....troll....troll. Give it a rest. Why bother arguing with this guy (loudist)? What's the point.

 

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I agree, what Kerry says sounds good at times, but I can't trust him to implement it. I think that is where he has a credibility gap with the voters, he says the right things but people don't see him a strong and sure enough to take a stand and do what he has to.

lairiat150, loudist is an intelligent person with some valid opinions and points to contribute, but his good points a fewer and farther between than his ignorant nasty rants about how stupid "shrubbies" are and how anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with him is a lemming. Ironically, he talks about hate speech, but when I hear a lot of blind hate in his rants about Bush and anyone who doesn’t think that Bush is Satan. Don't like bush, don't vote for him, but I think that a lot of people have whipped up this rabid hatred of Bush to such a ridiculous degree that frankly it scares me. Anyway, it almost seems like there are two different loudists, one who will argue rationally and one who just spews Bush hate and resorts to telling anyone who doesn’t agree with him how stupid they are. JMHO

 

In round one, I have to say Kerry won; no tby much, but a win is a win, if it's by an inch or a mile.

Bush didn't stumble nearly as much as I expected; this tells me that they knew what the questions would be up front. Again, kudos to you Mr. President, you did better than I expected, although you alreday had a reputation for being a great debator.

I thought Kerry did a lot to make up lost ground last night. As you'll recall, Clinton trailed Bush in 1992, but the debates helped him gain ground quickly. An estimated 50,000,000 people watched the debate. 10,000,000 more than even bothered to vote last year. It's going to be close folks, like it or not. If Kerry were a stronger candidate, I think he'd sweep the President.

Where I think Bush lost ground is he sounded like a broken record. "He changes his position too often". He changes, he changes, he changes.... That's like settign someone up with jabs, for them to commit and get hit with the knock-out blow, but- the knock out never comes...

If I didn't hear him say (He changes) 12 times, he didn't say it once. That's been a tactic for about 3 weeks now, let's try something new.

Anyhoo, like I've said before- I don't like either candidate; I don't think Mr. Bush has done bad, but the joblessness and the unchecked trend of companies moving overseas destroying the foundation of the American dream- gives me pause.

Some have said, 'at least you'll know what you're getting for the next four years'. To that I say, I know what I've seen the past four years, and it's time for a change- in my opinion.

Kerry/Edwards!- "Help is on the way!"

 

Because when one tries to have a FACTUAL discussion here, there are enough 'cult of the shrub' parrots that proffer repeated distortions as truths and yes, they are ignorant.
So a bit of taunting is fun especially when top shrub stepped in it so much last night, proving that he isn't running the show at all.
He isn't the leader and decision maker, he's just the figurehead, last night has illustrated that once more.
I hope in the next debates they talk about their administrations which is most important because of the influential nature of the advisers and cabinet.
Shrubs advisers and vice president should be investigated and prosecuted when they are back into the private sector (after this election) for the criminal machinations they have used to put us in worse danger than 9/12 (the day after) for theirs and their cronies greed and profit.

[/rational loudist]

 

I knew he had it in him. Excellent point about the administrations, they are just as important as the candidate.

 

I apparently was editing my post when you replied.
They are minor edits, so no great post editing conspiracy.

 

Here is my take…

President Bush is just not a great public speaker. He will never be a President Reagan, one of the greatest speakers ever and he will never be a President Clinton, another one of the greatest speakers ever.

Kerry is a bit better then ok because Kerry is NO great speaker, never has been and never will be. He is boring as hell and has absolutely no substance. Kerry has not learned how to dazzle with brilliance or baffle with bullchit. Kerry has no substance, no answers, and no vision he just talks better then President Bush. President Bush on the other hand will tell you exactly how it is rather you like it or not. That is called being honest and the majority of Americans want his honesty to continue another 4 years so it shall be.

I would give the debate last night to Kerry on speaking ability. The guy can speak better then President Bush so you have to give credit where credit is due.

However the public, once again, has got to see the flip-flop Kerry as he has become from his 20 years experience flip-flopping better then anyone known to man.

Trust me, Kerry will NOT win. The American public knows that the terrorist threat is REAL and it is REALITY and they want someone with the ***** to actually stand up and do something, they want someone they know has a plan and action and that is President Bush.

The public does NOT want someone like Kerry who can’t shut up about his service in Vietnam, even the top dogs in the democratic party have told Kerry time and time again to SHUT UP about Vietnam because NOBODY gives a rats *** about him and Vietnam but they do care about how he stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back after he got out, they do care about how he became a traitor to his country after Vietnam and that’s why the more the idiot talks about it the worse in falls in the polls.

Last nights debate was Kerry’s to lose, not for President Bush to win. Kerry has been falling and continues to fall in the polls, he has continued to lose key states and to the best of my knowledge does NOT have one southern state. No southern states no Presidency for Kerry.

The American public don’t care that Kerry has a plan, they only care about what the plan actual is and Kerry has not been able to come up with the actual substance of a plan except to say something as stupid as, not his exact words, ”I will do what President Bush is doing but I can do it better”. Sorry but the American public is not going to take a chance on someone they can not trust and will not trust someone who has LIED to them time and time again. You, or I may call it flip-flops, but by the extremist on the left they call that lying and every time Kerry changes his position means he either mislead or LIED about his initial position.

Kerry will forever be remembered as the flip-flop that lost it all by himself:

”I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it…”

The American public do NOT like when a leader screws around with a life and death situation and turns it into politics as the extremist liberals have done with the war on terror which includes Iraq.

Kerry has proven to the American public he can NOT be trusted to make important decision in regards to America’s security because of his 20 year resume for all to see.

The American public does NOT like it that Kerry wants to cut and gut the military for more socialist programs at home like medical coverage for all American citizens. That is not the answer and would greatly harm the health of ALL American citizens. Not to mention the idiot thinks we should take back money from Iraq to fund his socialist programs.

Take about sending the troops in with no protection, which is a liberal LIE, this moron wants to take away their guns and bullets so he can fund some stupid socialist program. So what is Kerry going to do, send bats and clubs to replace the guns and bullets he wants to take away from the troops in Iraq?

Kerry will NOT be the next President and will NEVER be the President of the United States of America, THANK GOD!!!!

”If Kerry is the answer, it must have been a stupid question…”

 

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