I'm THROUGH With CRAPple..
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Humm......
Interesting.
I used to be a Mac zealot starting with the Mac Classic and system 7 days,
Around 9.2 my G3 Mac gave me nothing but problems.
When XP came out I switched to PCs and was quite happy with how my Dell and XP performed.
When OSX came out I did not like it, but a friend of mine (a total gearhead PC and Linux person) got a Powerbook with OSX. Let me play with it for a week. And I really liked it.
OSX is impressive and if you opened your mind and actually used it you might change your tune.
I don't understand the whole zealot thing anymore. They are machines. XP is great for a lot of things, OSX is great for different things.
If you are doing video (especially on the pro end) the Mac is the machine of choice. If you're in the world of regular business, or if you love a wide variety of games go with the PC.
I do lots of art (Photoshop and Painter etc.) and I prefer the Mac for that.
Sure, it also has an eye-candy thing at work too, but there's nothing wrong with that.
And...so far my Mac has never crashed (neither my G5 nor my powerbook) and everything I use with it just works as soon as I plug it in. And, I've found networking on the Mac to be easier.
Plus . . . doing Painter and Photoshop on that 23" HD Cinema Display is darn close to nirvana.
And...yup, I got an iPod to and compared to the other stuff I've seen, it's quite elegant, simple to use, and it works . . . flawlessly. Is it the only thing out there? Of course not. Is it "better"? That depends on you and what you like.
In term of OSs, it has a lot to do with past experience and the way you think, the way your mind works. At first I couldn't get my mind around Windows. Then I could (XP had a lot to do with it) Then I couldn't get my mind around OSX. After opening my mind up a bit, I could. It's how you work and if it's not your thing then that's OK, but that doesn't make it "bad".
I will say this. A great majority of people have no concept of how computers work nor do they care. It's no different than when they turn on their TV. They coudn't care less about what NTSC or PAL is, they are not concerned with progressive scan vs interlaced, they don't understand how a CRT works or what and LCD screen is or what a plasma screen is. They only know one thing...they turn on the darn thing and see a picture. I have no idea how build a microwave oven, nor do I care about the mechanics of one. I know that I stick a slice of pizza in the damn thing, hit the 30 second button, and then it's hot again. Works for me. That's part of the beauty of the Mac. It's simple enough for most of the folks who use computers (hence their tag line, the computer for the rest of us) and yet (at least with OSX and its Linux underpinnings) it's also powerful enough for the hardcore to do some real work with.
Plus . . . they are elegant and incredibly well thought out to boot.
Enjoy your Iriver (I notice they were not creative enough to come up with an original name and had to use the Apple "i" prefix). I'm sure it works fine and will serve you well. But just remember that it, as well as the iPod will both be obsolete in about 90 minutes, that they are both machines, that they both do their jobs, and they are nothing to get extremely passionate about.
It's all good. Macs and PCs are all good.
Have fun.
k
Interesting.
I used to be a Mac zealot starting with the Mac Classic and system 7 days,
Around 9.2 my G3 Mac gave me nothing but problems.
When XP came out I switched to PCs and was quite happy with how my Dell and XP performed.
When OSX came out I did not like it, but a friend of mine (a total gearhead PC and Linux person) got a Powerbook with OSX. Let me play with it for a week. And I really liked it.
OSX is impressive and if you opened your mind and actually used it you might change your tune.
I don't understand the whole zealot thing anymore. They are machines. XP is great for a lot of things, OSX is great for different things.
If you are doing video (especially on the pro end) the Mac is the machine of choice. If you're in the world of regular business, or if you love a wide variety of games go with the PC.
I do lots of art (Photoshop and Painter etc.) and I prefer the Mac for that.
Sure, it also has an eye-candy thing at work too, but there's nothing wrong with that.
And...so far my Mac has never crashed (neither my G5 nor my powerbook) and everything I use with it just works as soon as I plug it in. And, I've found networking on the Mac to be easier.
Plus . . . doing Painter and Photoshop on that 23" HD Cinema Display is darn close to nirvana.
And...yup, I got an iPod to and compared to the other stuff I've seen, it's quite elegant, simple to use, and it works . . . flawlessly. Is it the only thing out there? Of course not. Is it "better"? That depends on you and what you like.
In term of OSs, it has a lot to do with past experience and the way you think, the way your mind works. At first I couldn't get my mind around Windows. Then I could (XP had a lot to do with it) Then I couldn't get my mind around OSX. After opening my mind up a bit, I could. It's how you work and if it's not your thing then that's OK, but that doesn't make it "bad".
I will say this. A great majority of people have no concept of how computers work nor do they care. It's no different than when they turn on their TV. They coudn't care less about what NTSC or PAL is, they are not concerned with progressive scan vs interlaced, they don't understand how a CRT works or what and LCD screen is or what a plasma screen is. They only know one thing...they turn on the darn thing and see a picture. I have no idea how build a microwave oven, nor do I care about the mechanics of one. I know that I stick a slice of pizza in the damn thing, hit the 30 second button, and then it's hot again. Works for me. That's part of the beauty of the Mac. It's simple enough for most of the folks who use computers (hence their tag line, the computer for the rest of us) and yet (at least with OSX and its Linux underpinnings) it's also powerful enough for the hardcore to do some real work with.
Plus . . . they are elegant and incredibly well thought out to boot.
Enjoy your Iriver (I notice they were not creative enough to come up with an original name and had to use the Apple "i" prefix). I'm sure it works fine and will serve you well. But just remember that it, as well as the iPod will both be obsolete in about 90 minutes, that they are both machines, that they both do their jobs, and they are nothing to get extremely passionate about.
It's all good. Macs and PCs are all good.
Have fun.
k
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They have total control over their platform, much like a Sun, Digital (used to), or HP and IBM. Guess what? Their stuff cost a fortune and you are LOCKED into buying their hardware.
This is nothing new, except that Apple is the only one that still has this control over the desktops. I bet HP, Compaq, IBM, and Dell would love to have this kind of control over their machines....
K-man is right, they are all just machines serving a purpose. Take a step back and you'll learn to love them both for what they are.
This is nothing new, except that Apple is the only one that still has this control over the desktops. I bet HP, Compaq, IBM, and Dell would love to have this kind of control over their machines....
K-man is right, they are all just machines serving a purpose. Take a step back and you'll learn to love them both for what they are.
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I'm sure if I got to play around with OSX I would like it better (I have heard a lot of good things about it) but the OS9 I have to deal with just drives me nuts. Anyway, any takers on the "iturds" and "isporks"?
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not creative enough? let's look at the HP "ipod"... talk about super-lame, can you really tell it's HP? or is it really Apple? It's an HP ipod. 
THAT right there, is antithesis of creativity to the highest degree.
FWIW, my XP (and XP professional on my laptop), have yet to crash.
It's precisely the control they have over their machines that will keep me from ever buying one.
As for stepping back, I have.
I bought an Ipod didn't I? I'm a gadget-guy, I have 2 portable hard drive players/recorders, 4 different minisdic players/recorders, 3 flash memory devices, and more CD players/shelf systems than I care to count. Given, I've come to the objective conclusion the Iriver device is far superior than the Ipod in almost every way.
I've heard many people say that Apple is better for high end video manipulation, but I'm completely skeptical until I compare otherwise. Furthermore, after this comparison to the Ipod, Apple doesn't exactly get the benefit of the doubt.
THAT right there, is antithesis of creativity to the highest degree.
FWIW, my XP (and XP professional on my laptop), have yet to crash.
It's precisely the control they have over their machines that will keep me from ever buying one.
As for stepping back, I have.
I bought an Ipod didn't I? I'm a gadget-guy, I have 2 portable hard drive players/recorders, 4 different minisdic players/recorders, 3 flash memory devices, and more CD players/shelf systems than I care to count. Given, I've come to the objective conclusion the Iriver device is far superior than the Ipod in almost every way.
I've heard many people say that Apple is better for high end video manipulation, but I'm completely skeptical until I compare otherwise. Furthermore, after this comparison to the Ipod, Apple doesn't exactly get the benefit of the doubt.
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I've heard many people say that Apple is better for high end video manipulation, but I'm completely skeptical until I compare otherwise.
Before you take on this eval I suggest you down a few of these first...
... and try not to be closed minded as you have already stated that you would tend to be.
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Originally posted by kobiashi
... and try not to be closed minded as you have already stated that you would tend to be.
... and try not to be closed minded as you have already stated that you would tend to be.
If I were, would I have bought an Ipod?
Just because I gave an objective, and ultimately unfavorable review of a component homologous to your preferred computing environment, does not imply I'm closed minded. To have the sheer audacity to make such a declaration, is, in fact, a trait of precisely what you have accused me of.
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I use Windows, Linux and MAC (refused to use MAC until OSX though) and I can do ALMOST whatever I want with any of them, but find myself using Windows most often. I can plug anything (hardware) into it and on the rare occasion it doesn't work, I can make it work. On a MAC, it works or it doesn't, end of story. On Linux, it can be a good way to kill a rainy day! If MAC had a good binary news reader like Agent, and an app to uninstall programs, I might use and recommend it a bit more. There is something to be said for MACs simplicity (at times), people feel they are buying toasters or VCR's, and expect computers to operate as simply, but they are not quite that mature yet. The price and arrogance from Apple is a big turn off too. Apple has jumped into the present with OSX, just wish the 10.x versions were free, not expensive upgrades.
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Mac users do not need to create a parody ...
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...evelopers.html
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...monkeyboy.html
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom.../wincrash.html
ROFL ...
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...evelopers.html
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...monkeyboy.html
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom.../wincrash.html
ROFL ...
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Originally posted by Beanhead
LMAO!!!!
MAC SUX.
LMAO!!!!
MAC SUX.
You couldn't possibly see it any other way. The logical nature of your mind will not allow you past the abstract beauty of the Mac. The functional simplicity of the Mac is never in your "viewfinder".
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Originally posted by serotta
After looking at your PROFILE, duh! You are absolutely correct..... MAC SUX!.
You couldn't possibly see it any other way. The logical nature of your mind will not allow you past the abstract beauty of the Mac. The functional simplicity of the Mac is never in your "viewfinder".
After looking at your PROFILE, duh! You are absolutely correct..... MAC SUX!.
You couldn't possibly see it any other way. The logical nature of your mind will not allow you past the abstract beauty of the Mac. The functional simplicity of the Mac is never in your "viewfinder".
