He's Coming today!!!!!!
#46
Originally posted by Raoul
From runnerts' Alquida ties link:
I think the story is implying that the terrorist link was with Iran rather than Iraq.
But what the heck, both countries start with the letter 'I' it was an honest mistake.
From runnerts' Alquida ties link:
I think the story is implying that the terrorist link was with Iran rather than Iraq.
But what the heck, both countries start with the letter 'I' it was an honest mistake.
runnert
#47
A U.S.-led assault on a compound controlled by an extremist Islamic group turned up a list of names of suspected militants living in the United States and what may be the strongest evidence yet linking the group to al-Qaida, coalition commanders said Monday.
The cache of documents at the Ansar al-Islam compound, including computer discs and foreign passports belonging to Arab fighters from around the Middle East, could bolster the Bush administration's claims that the two groups are connected, although there was no indication any of the evidence tied Ansar to Saddam Hussein as Washington has maintained.
Kurdish and Turkish intelligence officials, some speaking on condition of anonymity, said many of Ansar's 700 members have slipped out of Iraq and into Iran putting them out of reach of coalition forces.
The cache of documents at the Ansar al-Islam compound, including computer discs and foreign passports belonging to Arab fighters from around the Middle East, could bolster the Bush administration's claims that the two groups are connected, although there was no indication any of the evidence tied Ansar to Saddam Hussein as Washington has maintained.
Kurdish and Turkish intelligence officials, some speaking on condition of anonymity, said many of Ansar's 700 members have slipped out of Iraq and into Iran putting them out of reach of coalition forces.
Seems there is a connection there, Iraq, al-Quada and no one can tell me Saddam did NOT know about these people in his country that he ran and had complete control over. May not be no direct link to Saddam, like on video tape, but there is plenty of collaborating evidence for a link…
Time will tell...
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
...Seems there is a connection there, Iraq, al-Quada and no one can tell me Saddam did NOT know about these people in his country that he ran and had complete control over...
...Seems there is a connection there, Iraq, al-Quada and no one can tell me Saddam did NOT know about these people in his country that he ran and had complete control over...
I am trying to visualize a timeline here over the last year.
1)Saddam in 'complete control'
2)War begins, Saddam goes into rabbit hole
3)Terrorists from 'all over' Al Queda included, sweeps into power vacuum
4)They setup housekeeping.
5)We raid, sieze disks, say "ah-hah!"
I'm not arguing with Burt, just thinking out loud to invoke input.
Saddam was a secular, paranoid dictator who had body doubles and somebody tasting his food. It just doesn't jive that he would welcome or even tolerate Muslim religious fanatics operating helter skelter in Iraq they way they did in Afhganistan and Pakistan.
Last edited by Raoul; 04-21-2004 at 01:25 PM.
#49
Originally posted by Raoul
Perhaps I am confused but, I assumed this 'Raid' recently occurred.
I am trying to visualize a timeline here over the last year.
1)Saddam in 'complete control'
2)War begins, Saddam goes into rabbit hole
3)Terrorists from 'all over' Al Queda included, sweeps into power vacuum
4)They setup housekeeping.
5)We raid, sieze disks, say "ah-hah!"
I'm not arguing with Burt, just thinking out loud to invoke input.
Saddam was a secular, paranoid dictator who had body doubles and somebody tasting his food. It just doesn't jive that he would welcome or even tolerate Muslim religious fanatics operating helter skelter in Iraq they way they did in Afhganistan and Pakistan.
Perhaps I am confused but, I assumed this 'Raid' recently occurred.
I am trying to visualize a timeline here over the last year.
1)Saddam in 'complete control'
2)War begins, Saddam goes into rabbit hole
3)Terrorists from 'all over' Al Queda included, sweeps into power vacuum
4)They setup housekeeping.
5)We raid, sieze disks, say "ah-hah!"
I'm not arguing with Burt, just thinking out loud to invoke input.
Saddam was a secular, paranoid dictator who had body doubles and somebody tasting his food. It just doesn't jive that he would welcome or even tolerate Muslim religious fanatics operating helter skelter in Iraq they way they did in Afhganistan and Pakistan.
I partially agree with you about Saddam being a secular and paranoid dictator. However I do believe, though I have no facts, but do believe that Saddam would to some extent, regardless how unpleasant, allow some religious fanatics into his country for the soul reason they too hated America with as much passion as did Saddam.
I believe he would have done that with the thought process that they could help him cause problems for America and ultimately carry out terrorist attacks in America and hopefully not have Saddam’s finger prints on it.
I believe this because I do believe Saddam wanted to very much continue with his WMD programs and possible nuclear program. To do so he would need to divert attention from himself and his country and by having terrorist attacking America right in America it very well may have diverted our attention.
Many people believe that Saddam’s goal was to control most of the Middle East. I think his invasion of Kuwait was a test to see just how much the world would care and just how the world would react, particularly America.
I think he miscalculated badly and didn’t think we would do what we did in Kuwait nor in the present war we are in with Iraq. Sometimes your past/present enemies are your friends when you’re both fighting a bigger enemy.
#50
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
I do have an open mind to facts, not illusions, myths, fantasies, falsehoods, or sound bites…
I do have an open mind to facts, not illusions, myths, fantasies, falsehoods, or sound bites…
Right, Burt (spinmeister extrordinaire )??
#51
#52
Originally posted by arrbilly
in other words, anything the Bubbyas say is "fact". anything else is "illusions, myths,fantasies, etc, yada yada yada......
Right, Burt (spinmeister extrordinaire )??
in other words, anything the Bubbyas say is "fact". anything else is "illusions, myths,fantasies, etc, yada yada yada......
Right, Burt (spinmeister extrordinaire )??
No way do I believe everything President Bush says as fact. For instance what he has to say on that HUGE socialist program he helped pushed through I thought was nothing more then illusions, myths and fantasies and not to mention an election issue he “tried” to take away from liberals. He should have been smacked up side the head and told Mr. President it don’t matter how much socialist spending you do the liberals will still HATE you and want even MORE money” and what happen? You guessed it the mindless liberals are whining about how they need MORE money…
It was one of the most stupidest programs I have ever heard of. There was absolutely NO need for such a program. There was a very small percentage of elderly people who did need assistance on getting medication but not the vast majority and thus the illusion, myth and fantasies about how we should fund some STUPID program to give all elderly people more free drugs when many of them have PLENTY of their own cash to pay their way…
#53
#54
Just kidding about the hijacking, Now here's a question/poll. Our mayor did not show up to meet bush because he said that he did not get an invite to attend but instead recieved a call 10 hours before the visit inviting him. Folks here were pissed to say the least. A poll on one of the news stations said 98% of the people polled said he should have showed up. I think when the president comes you go no matter what. This city takes a beating (you all know, snow, armpit of america, old, boring, lack of downtown activites etc..)
Our mayor is a complete azz and had noone run against him last time. I think he will be gone next election the big baby.
Our mayor is a complete azz and had noone run against him last time. I think he will be gone next election the big baby.
#55
buckdropper, I agree Buffalo takes a beating, along with most of western/ upstate NY, but mostly focuses on Buffalo. I'm Rochester born and bred and I like going to buffalo to watch the Bills and Sabres play, good people, not to mention great wings at the Anchor Bar. None of us deserved to have to watch four losing superbowls in a row, the rob johnson years, or the Sabres getting screwed out of the Stanley Cup. I can't believe the mayor didn't show up, thats what is wrong upstate, no one can/ will fight to get any of us anything we deserve b/c it pays to cater to NYC and to keep your head down if you represent upstate. I still can't believe anyone actually beleived Hillary Clinton when she made extravagant campaign promises to help upstate. Talk about suckers. I'm impressed GWB actually made a stop in Buffalo, good for him.
#57
hey, if you are going to watertown, you should be sorta within spitting distance of clayton, and cape vincent new york.
clayton is a beautiful small town and the st lawerence river is worth checking out. cape vincent is right where the river feeds into lake ontario, which is another georgous area.
we fish up there a couple of times every year. i can't think of too many places that are as nice as the area up there (real quiet).
if you have been there you know what i am talking about, if you havent, and have some time to kill, its worth the small trip.
clayton is a beautiful small town and the st lawerence river is worth checking out. cape vincent is right where the river feeds into lake ontario, which is another georgous area.
we fish up there a couple of times every year. i can't think of too many places that are as nice as the area up there (real quiet).
if you have been there you know what i am talking about, if you havent, and have some time to kill, its worth the small trip.