I agree with you there as well...

 

whoa there fella.... as much as there is a socialist agenda in out capital region Joe Average Canadian doesn't want lazy, dog f**ker welfare scam artists either!

Just rememeber... French socialist lawyers may be in power... but they don't represent our views.

 

and some Canadians are so far right they make David Duke look like a Marxist

 

I think you are missing aat least part of some of the posts. Yes Racism in any form is wrong and should not be tolerated!! But, the key word I see here is "illegal". I don't care who you are or where you came from, if you are illegally in this country your *** should be bounced out with force and commitment. Illegal immigrants are "ILLEGAL"and are breaking our countries laws.

Oh yah, one more day and counting!

 

I came on this thread too late to see the poem. AJR, bravo for taking a stand. 01 XLT Sport, you should not use such broad language, as the generalizations put out by some here are harsh and, frankly, untrue.

I have a problem with anyone on welfare for any reason. It should be a stopgap with a whip behind it. Some of the most disadvantaged, disabled, hard luck cases around have seen fit to stay OFF welfare, just because they think it is immoral. Bravo for them.

That said, I feel it is necessary to repeat again and again to any who will hear that this country was established, built and exists by and for immigrants and their children. (here is a broad statement coming on, but I am preceeding it with 'Most') Most immigrants come here because of the opportunity to succeed, the opportunity for a better life. That is because doing the jobs at the bottom of our economy are better than the life they could possibly hope for in their home countries.

It is instructive that there has been an element in American society that has been against immigration for many many years, going back at least into the 19th century. Thankfully for many of you, their power did not hold sway. For the first half of the 20th century, asians were not allowed to become citizens of the US, unless they were born here, and even then, they were 2nd class at best.

Enough of that rant. Jokes that denigrate immigrants with a broad brush are at best not constructive, and as some have already said, tasteless, crass, and ignorant in the more general case. The original post-er has backed off. Those with a beef about immigration policy or how it is implemented have a vote too. AJR gives some very good insight into the current policy, and although exceptions can be found, it will be a while, I predict, before we live in utopia. Just going out on a limb here...

Anyway, if goat herders couldn't immigrate, we wouldn't have Raoul, and we would all surely feel the loss for that.

TS

 

whats that? you looked up and realized that he is an illegal and is working for you?

 

A couple of points:

An argument isn't a bad thing.

When we argue intelligently, it causes (some of us) to think, and this can lead to positive results such as new knowledge and a new perspective.

It is because of this that I ask Paul to post his original post again so we can examine all the facts and look at both sides.

Once Paul edited / removed his post, this killed the argument because now we can't look at the facts anymore.

Paul, I and many others here know that you didn't intend to offend anyone with that post, and that you meant it as a joke, so no harm done. I also see AJ's side, and agree with him that in essence, that joke you posted was a piece of hate propaganda, and stuff like that only perpetuates racism because it succeeds because of peoples ignorance.

So I say post it back up and let the debate continue.

 

Yes well, we were all immigrants at one point or another. Some just do/did not have the honor of being legally accepted right away. I suggest you write to the president about these pesky illegal immigrants.

 

Maybe so but I will try...

 

I am completely legal.
On my papers in the block Reason for being in Country

It says, 'fell off turnip truck'

 

I think he just said his goat can go 3 miles on one gallon of water.

 

Broad language as in? If your referring to my use of the word “illegal immigrants” that is meant to be broad because they are ALL illegal and have to go. Absolutely no reason what so ever allow someone to stay who is breaking the law. They have already proven they see it unfit to follow any type of rules or live in a society with some kind of order.

Therefore all illegal immigrants are a bad thing for America.

I think immigration is a good thing when practiced with common sense. I am all for those willing to come here to work and get opportunities for success and to be able to give back to the country that has welcomed them. It’s a win-win situation.

However, you cannot now have unlimited immigration because the house is full. In the beginning we needed many people to come here, my ancestors included, to populate the country and make it what it is.

There comes a time when there are too many people in the house and you have to “control” how many are let in. My problem with illegally immigrants is the fact that first they have broke the law and second they have stifled the chances of someone else that could benefit this country from getting in, and doing so legally and many times with a very long wait.

I would be willing to bet very big money that of all the immigrants here in America that are receiving free benefits the vast majority of them are illegal. Those coming here by legal means have moral values, courage and the ***** to make something of them self’s.

I am sure there are many illegally immigrants that work hard as well but to them I say, “oh well, so sad” and “when we catch you we should send you straight home because you lack moral values of simple law and order…”

 

Amigos, if you see an hombre heading South riding a goat, that would be me.

 

For the sake of discussion, I would like to offer up the opinion that the American "house" is far from full.

There are more people in the Kanto plain than in all of Texas.

Clearly two extremes, but you get my point.

Illegals have broken laws to get here. By definition. Some of them (not all) have broken them because it was the better choice of two evils...1) stay home and starve or be killed by economic or political conditions 2) break an immigration law and provide a service for someone in exchange for some money, then use that money to buy food. Honestly.

I say that pushing illegal immigrants into the 'immoral' category is pretty harsh. Immigration laws are not what someone might call 'natural' laws. They are sort of like speeding laws or emmission laws. They exist so that a society can have some order, and can be changed when that society needs a different order because the old laws didn't work, or did not address new problems. People should obey the law, but laws change, and some laws are more (pick an adjective) sane/moral/useful/appropriate/enforcable than others.

It seems to me that considering changing the immigration laws to reflect a new reality is not bad politics. Dissing foreigners because they are foreigners is not good politics.

Another .02 makes .04...

TS

 

hmmmmmmmmm--Peladophobia

I know phobia means a fear of something--
Can you define Pelado--
Maybe your gardner can help you out on this one--
My gardner has gone home for the winter--