Attn Non Smokers
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I just want to ask a question here... I hope I don't get labled a whiner or ****, though...
Just because smoking is banned in restaraunts why does that mean that smokers can't/won't go there anymore? Why should that really hurt a business? People still have to eat whether they smoke or not. When they aren't lit up they're breathing the same non-smoke air the rest of us are? I understand what 01 is trying to say about ban this ban that, and where do you stop... I too think it's up to the business owner since eating there is an option.
and I do get a little tired of smokers saying, "if YOU don't like MY smoke YOU go somwhere else". I try to respect EVERYONE as much as possible, but there's times when I just have to say, "Damnit, the smoke wasn't here till you came along. If YOU want to smoke, YOU go somewhere else."
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
Just because smoking is banned in restaraunts why does that mean that smokers can't/won't go there anymore? Why should that really hurt a business? People still have to eat whether they smoke or not. When they aren't lit up they're breathing the same non-smoke air the rest of us are? I understand what 01 is trying to say about ban this ban that, and where do you stop... I too think it's up to the business owner since eating there is an option.
and I do get a little tired of smokers saying, "if YOU don't like MY smoke YOU go somwhere else". I try to respect EVERYONE as much as possible, but there's times when I just have to say, "Damnit, the smoke wasn't here till you came along. If YOU want to smoke, YOU go somewhere else."
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
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Originally posted by closer9
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
I smoke and I still go to restaurants regardless if they allow smoking or not. Then again I never really smoked in the ones that did allow it so my answer may be a bit bias to begin with.
If it’s a really good steak house, seafood place I really don’t think it will hurt their business. It might in the very short run, a month or so while those pissed off about not being able to smoke cool off. Once they start craving that good steak or seafood or what ever they WILL be back…
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Oh jeeze, just as I am reading this a smoking commercial comes on. "When I was growing up, you smoked, and I hated it. But now I can leave the house, but my little brother here can't. He can't ask you to take your smoke else where. We can all live without second hand smoke." sigh...
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Originally posted by closer9
I just want to ask a question here... I hope I don't get labled a whiner or ****, though...
Just because smoking is banned in restaraunts why does that mean that smokers can't/won't go there anymore? Why should that really hurt a business? People still have to eat whether they smoke or not. When they aren't lit up they're breathing the same non-smoke air the rest of us are? I understand what 01 is trying to say about ban this ban that, and where do you stop... I too think it's up to the business owner since eating there is an option.
and I do get a little tired of smokers saying, "if YOU don't like MY smoke YOU go somwhere else". I try to respect EVERYONE as much as possible, but there's times when I just have to say, "Damnit, the smoke wasn't here till you came along. If YOU want to smoke, YOU go somewhere else."
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
I just want to ask a question here... I hope I don't get labled a whiner or ****, though...
Just because smoking is banned in restaraunts why does that mean that smokers can't/won't go there anymore? Why should that really hurt a business? People still have to eat whether they smoke or not. When they aren't lit up they're breathing the same non-smoke air the rest of us are? I understand what 01 is trying to say about ban this ban that, and where do you stop... I too think it's up to the business owner since eating there is an option.
and I do get a little tired of smokers saying, "if YOU don't like MY smoke YOU go somwhere else". I try to respect EVERYONE as much as possible, but there's times when I just have to say, "Damnit, the smoke wasn't here till you came along. If YOU want to smoke, YOU go somewhere else."
But still my question is (aside from the right or wrongs of smoking bans) why does a smoking hurt business for a Restarant?
My own $.02...
When California banned smoking in restaurants, public places, etc. all the business owners cried and screamed they would go bankrupt without smoking in their place of business.
Guess what? Overall revenues have continued to rise and fall at the same rate as the rest of the economy. I laugh when I read posts that fortell big problems for bar/restaurants because people can't smoke inside them anymore. Wonder if they ever will figure out that non-smokers far out number smokers and a LARGE NUMBER of non-smokers would not patronize an establishment because they didn't like the smoke to be found inside it?
As far as the 2nd hand smoke debate: I have been in bars and end up getting a sore throat, burning eyes, runny nose, etc. because of the smoke in the air. I guess my physical reaction to the smoke is made up and my body really doesn't mind, huh?
If you like to smoke, that's fine. If I like to not smoke (2nd hand or otherwise), shouldn't that be OK too?
If you smoke, don't try to justify your actions with tax dollars, rights, etc. It is a choice you have made and you don't have to justify it to anyone. But, you should also respect everyone who has made the choice to not smoke as well.
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WOW !!!
It seems like alot of non-smokers have health problems......That only second hand smoke aggrevates. Everything from Asthma to sinus conditions. I'm sure there are some that second hand smoke will physically bother but most whiners are just that.
This second hand smoke thing is like your parents telling you to never climb a tree because it's too high. So you develop a fear of heights . With the media push on second hand smoke , most people become very paranoid around cigarette smoke. These same people probably enjoys campfires and warm fire in the fireplace. It's just misguided paranoia.
It seems like alot of non-smokers have health problems......That only second hand smoke aggrevates. Everything from Asthma to sinus conditions. I'm sure there are some that second hand smoke will physically bother but most whiners are just that.
This second hand smoke thing is like your parents telling you to never climb a tree because it's too high. So you develop a fear of heights . With the media push on second hand smoke , most people become very paranoid around cigarette smoke. These same people probably enjoys campfires and warm fire in the fireplace. It's just misguided paranoia.
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From: Hammer Lane
Originally posted by canyonslicker
WOW !!!
It seems like alot of non-smokers have health problems......That only second hand smoke aggrevates. Everything from Asthma to sinus conditions. I'm sure there are some that second hand smoke will physically bother but most whiners are just that.
This second hand smoke thing is like your parents telling you to never climb a tree because it's too high. So you develop a fear of heights . With the media push on second hand smoke , most people become very paranoid around cigarette smoke. These same people probably enjoys campfires and warm fire in the fireplace. It's just misguided paranoia.
WOW !!!
It seems like alot of non-smokers have health problems......That only second hand smoke aggrevates. Everything from Asthma to sinus conditions. I'm sure there are some that second hand smoke will physically bother but most whiners are just that.
This second hand smoke thing is like your parents telling you to never climb a tree because it's too high. So you develop a fear of heights . With the media push on second hand smoke , most people become very paranoid around cigarette smoke. These same people probably enjoys campfires and warm fire in the fireplace. It's just misguided paranoia.
For those smokers that are courteous to others, these laws shouldn't affect you much at all; because, you're already doing the right thing anyway. Right?
I don't like that this is something that has to legislated; but, with the laws that prevent the rest of us from kicking your *** for being ******, there's very little left in the bag of options.
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and I do get a little tired of smokers saying, "if YOU don't like MY smoke YOU go somwhere else". I try to respect EVERYONE as much as possible, but there's times when I just have to say, "Damnit, the smoke wasn't here till you came along. If YOU want to smoke, YOU go somewhere else."
I am polite to considerate smokers, but the a$$holes that light up in public and blow smoke on anyhting/anyone, i have no respect for. Keep your smoke away from me, and for God sakes, put in a piece of gum when your done wtih your cig!
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A few of us were debating this very subject yesterday while we were visiting a filthy rotten smoker friend of ours.
Someone made the suggestion (as Burt did) to let the business decide.
If they want to cater to smokers only, then let them run a smoke filled establishment.
On the surface this seems like a good idea, as it was when Burt wrote it in a previous post.
The problem lies in the fact that our governments are taking these actions because they know smoking is harmful.
Now before some of you start yelling "There's not 1 single piece of medical evidence to suggest that smoking is harmful to a persons health"
I urge anyone who would say such a foolish thing to get real, and come back with an argument that has more teeth.
Everyone knows smoking's unhealthy, I know it, you know it, it would be difficult to find a single person on the planet who would not know such a thing. (unless you were in a coma for the last 25 years)
And if by chance there really is someone on here who truly believes in their heart that smoking is not unhealthy, then don't even waste my time with a debate.
If someone can honestly be that stupid, then I have a better chance of peeing in the wind and not getting any on me.
Back on topic...
So if the government knows smoking is harmful, who will be the people who will work in these smoking establishments?
I know "people can decide on their own, perhaps pay them an extra 2 bucks an hour as danger pay"
If they get sick with cancer or something, these employees are going to hold the government responsible by slapping them with a huge lawsuit. "but you let us work there, you knew it was bad for us, but you let us work there anyway"
Some might argue "freedom of choice", but when someone needs a job to feed their family, and that's the only choice available, then it's really not freedom of choice as much as we think it is.
So my question is, who would staff these smoking establishments, and where will the liability fall when they become sick with a smoking related illness?
Someone made the suggestion (as Burt did) to let the business decide.
If they want to cater to smokers only, then let them run a smoke filled establishment.
On the surface this seems like a good idea, as it was when Burt wrote it in a previous post.
The problem lies in the fact that our governments are taking these actions because they know smoking is harmful.
Now before some of you start yelling "There's not 1 single piece of medical evidence to suggest that smoking is harmful to a persons health"
I urge anyone who would say such a foolish thing to get real, and come back with an argument that has more teeth.
Everyone knows smoking's unhealthy, I know it, you know it, it would be difficult to find a single person on the planet who would not know such a thing. (unless you were in a coma for the last 25 years)
And if by chance there really is someone on here who truly believes in their heart that smoking is not unhealthy, then don't even waste my time with a debate.
If someone can honestly be that stupid, then I have a better chance of peeing in the wind and not getting any on me.
Back on topic...
So if the government knows smoking is harmful, who will be the people who will work in these smoking establishments?
I know "people can decide on their own, perhaps pay them an extra 2 bucks an hour as danger pay"
If they get sick with cancer or something, these employees are going to hold the government responsible by slapping them with a huge lawsuit. "but you let us work there, you knew it was bad for us, but you let us work there anyway"
Some might argue "freedom of choice", but when someone needs a job to feed their family, and that's the only choice available, then it's really not freedom of choice as much as we think it is.
So my question is, who would staff these smoking establishments, and where will the liability fall when they become sick with a smoking related illness?
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where heres the arguement i kinda posed, i mean if you smoke you should know the possible consequences, like you said, it is unhealthy, if you don't buy it go back to elementary school. But that's your choice. The thing i was saying is if your not smoking, but people around you are smoking is it a health risk, and statisically the answer is no. Realistically? Not sure, but i sure as hell don't believe the crap they feed that such and such many people died of 2nd hand smoke, gimme a break.
What it really should come down to, health risks aside, is just plain out courtesy. If you don't like smoke, just ask the person to please not smoke. Actually if i was a smoker, immediatly before lighting up my question would be, "do you mind?" Its that simple. If im in a restaurant, im not gonna ask everyone, plus for sure someones gonna mind.
As for liability, if there is an issue, which i would doubt, but if it came up, tough crap really. I mean you knew that you were gonna be in smoke filled rooms all day, what did you expect. It's like living in the city. If you have bad lungs don't live here, you wanna stay and get sick, well good, darwins kicking ***.
What it really should come down to, health risks aside, is just plain out courtesy. If you don't like smoke, just ask the person to please not smoke. Actually if i was a smoker, immediatly before lighting up my question would be, "do you mind?" Its that simple. If im in a restaurant, im not gonna ask everyone, plus for sure someones gonna mind.
As for liability, if there is an issue, which i would doubt, but if it came up, tough crap really. I mean you knew that you were gonna be in smoke filled rooms all day, what did you expect. It's like living in the city. If you have bad lungs don't live here, you wanna stay and get sick, well good, darwins kicking ***.
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Smoking = unhealthy
Crossing the street = unhealthy
Telling someone 200lbs and 8” taller then you to shut up = unhealthy
Eating at McDonalds = unhealthy
Walking outside and breathing = unhealthy
Driving down the street = unhealthy
Talking aspirin for a headache = unhealthy
Telling your mother to shut up, specifically in front of your father = unhealthy
Driving a Chevy = unhealthy
Eating any type of snack – unhealthy
Eating food labeled as healthy = unhealthy
Calling your women by the wrong name during sex = unhealthy
Telling the fast good person taking your order over the MC their a moron = unhealthy
Petting a cat = unhealthy
Dating your best friends sister = unhealthy
Taking a major dump = healthy and unhealthy
Having the Government decide for us what is best for us (if it is not illegal) = MAJOR UNHEALTHY
Nuf said...
Crossing the street = unhealthy
Telling someone 200lbs and 8” taller then you to shut up = unhealthy
Eating at McDonalds = unhealthy
Walking outside and breathing = unhealthy
Driving down the street = unhealthy
Talking aspirin for a headache = unhealthy
Telling your mother to shut up, specifically in front of your father = unhealthy
Driving a Chevy = unhealthy
Eating any type of snack – unhealthy
Eating food labeled as healthy = unhealthy
Calling your women by the wrong name during sex = unhealthy
Telling the fast good person taking your order over the MC their a moron = unhealthy
Petting a cat = unhealthy
Dating your best friends sister = unhealthy
Taking a major dump = healthy and unhealthy
Having the Government decide for us what is best for us (if it is not illegal) = MAJOR UNHEALTHY
Nuf said...
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Originally posted by Habibi
So my question is, who would staff these smoking establishments, and where will the liability fall when they become sick with a smoking related illness?
So my question is, who would staff these smoking establishments, and where will the liability fall when they become sick with a smoking related illness?
01 has your answers bro...