who will probably end up a teacher with no sense of time (causing your students to be late for their next class), or one that can't take attendance, or add. (no offense to the good teachers out there)

So definately take responsability for your actions and learn something!

 

I'm not all worried about the time... I'm just worried about the lack of sufficient evidence that says I have 5 tardies.

 

During the OJ Simpson trial (early 1990s) a crucial piece of evidence was a pair of gloves that the killer supposedly used during the murders. In one of the greatest examples of courtroom grandstanding ever, defense attorney Johnny Cochran supervised Simpson's failed attempt to put on the gloves; when they didn't fit Simpson's hands he made the ,"If the gloves don't fit..etc" statement. Despite all the other issues, that incident most likely won Simpson the case.

Ain't history cool?

 

As one of the "good teachers" out here let me
give you my view. Tardies are the student's
responsibility. Period. Public school is just
that...PUBLIC SCHOOL, your parents make a
choice to send you to that school and you
are responsible for not getting to your class.
It is YOUR responsibility to keep up with your
absenses, your missed work, and your tardies.
The administration in my school does utilize a
computer system to track tardies throughout
the year. However, it only tracks dates, not
reasons for a student's tardiness. Trying to
document each individual case of tardiness in
a school with around 1,000 kids is an impossibility.
The bottom line is that tardies are a student's
responsibility. If you don't like the number the
school comes up with, why don't you just document
the tardies yourself. Then if a problem presents
itself you can pull out your documentation and give
them your side of the story.

 

Damn, life SURE is rough out there, isn't it?

You mess with the bull and you get the horn.

Do you get thet impression I'm not real syspathetic? You'd be right, then.

Showing up is 50% of anything.

 

so if they don't keep track of the tardies, then how do they know you have 5 and require a detention?

 

don't get trapper wound up about this.

 

Trapper,

Do you honestly believe that the administration would accept a student's self documentation over the schools *official* record????? I can see it now....

Admin: Says here you were late 5 times
Student: No I wasn't. See this page in my notebook? It says I've only been late 3 times and here are the dates (x,y,z).
Admin: Huh! How 'bout that! Well let me just change the official school record right now. Thanks for showing us the error of our ways....


While it IS the kid's responsibility to be on time, it's not solely the kid's responsibility to keep up with that data. He should keep up with it to stay out of trouble, but the teachers are responsible for correctly reporting the data and the schools are responsible for correctly recording and tracking the data. If the school can't provide dates (at the very least) as evidence for this guy, then they shouldn't be handing out detention to him.


chknbone

 

I have personally seen students confront school officials
with evidence and win arguments. You act like it would
never happen but you couldn't be more wrong. Seniors
keep VERY detailed accounts of their tardies and absences
simply because their exemptions depend on it. I'm not
sure I understand your surprise at that. We are talkin'
about 17 year olds who are in their last year of school and
are planning on graduating without taking any exams. If
you think they WOULDN'T keep up with their stuff...you are
sadly mistaken. I repeat my earlier argument...while it
is the schools responsibility to keep up with the NUMBER
of tardies...it is most definetly the student's responsibility
to document ANYTHING that might affect their class
"standing" and that includes and absences, tardies, even
D.O. (work absences outside of school). These people are
supposedly "young adults"...and as such, they are
responsible for following their class schedules, which they
picked out ...in a tardy manner.

 

Never had detention here, but some of my friends got it. For some reason they were only allowed to sit there and stare at the wall ceiling. They were never allowed to do anything 'constructive' such as read a book or work on their homework.

Why, I don't know. But being forced to do school work during detention may be the only time some kids ever do it.

 

So my dad went with me this morning to school to talk to the assistant principal (I'll call him Mr. Tom) about my detention, to get the dates of when I was tardy. We went in the attendence office, and we asked the woman working there (I'll call her Ms. Smith) if we could speak to Mr. Tom. We were the only ones in the office at the time, w/ the door open, and a girl was sitting at a computer doing nothing. (I later found out the girl is Ms. Smith's daughter who is a freshman, not working in that office.) She said he was out at a meeting, and wasn't on campus. We explained our situation to Ms. Smith and she brought out a stack of unorganized papers that she uses for when kids come in tardy to class. (She uses some form of identification to mark that you were tardy, next to your name). Then she said she will try to pull them up on Mr. Tom's computer. We waited a few minutes, then she comes back and says she can't pull them up. My dad asked if there was anyone else he could talk to. He kept persistent yet calm in asking for this information. He says the school can't issue me a detention unless they can back it up. (AND I WANT THE PROOF!) I am definitely sure I was tardy 3 times, but unless otherwise proven, the other 2 seem foreign to me. I cannot for the life of me think of the other 2! Well Ms. Smith started to get this attitude. She said, "I can't deal with this now. I'm busy!" and she went into the room where she checked on Mr. Tom's computer. My dad kept talking to her, and then she came back out, and she stated, "Do not say another word. I will call security and have them escort you out of here." It was ridulous man! Somewhere in there my dad asked who he could talk to, and Ms. Smith and her daughter both said the principal. Meanwhile, Ms. Smith is on her Motorola walkie talkie saying some code, calling in security (I'm assuming). The girl kept her mouth shut pretty far into this, until the end. She told my dad, "Don't say another word." Then we just left, and it was just so hard not to laugh. Well, we went to the principal and we were at the front desk of his office. My dad said, "We got kicked out of the attendance office." The look on the lady's face was exactly like this: Then the principal comes over and invites us into his office. We explain the situation to him and he gets our phone # to call us for further details of our requested information. He said that Ms. Smith should at LEAST get our phone # down if the information we asked for, was not present at the time. She just totally blew us off, and that daughter of her's had NO RIGHT to say ANYTHING at ALL. A woman like Ms. Smith should NOT be working in an enviroment as she is. She is a direct representation of the school, and having a miserable ***** like her working for the good of our children, should not be. I told other kids about what happened, and they all agree she's a ***** and they say that she gives them a hard time too. Ms. Smith took this so personal, I have to laugh. I couldn't believe it! She was threatening us!

Here is the mission statement of my school:
Mission

The mission at this school in partnership with a unified community is to guarantee that all students are provided with superior instruction, resources, environment and guidance to ensure top quality graduates, with life-long learning skills, who can live responsibly in society.

P.S. I never went to any detention today.

 

i would imagine that a parent taking the time to discuss a problem speaks volumes, you are lucky to have a dad that will stand up for you. dont disappoint him by screwing up,-be ontime its not hard. looking back, high school was cake walk compared to life, enjoy it and dont have an attitude towards the teacher, there might be personal things you dont know about.

 

WOW, what a day! 1. School mission statements are BS 2. Mrs. Smith sounds like a douche 3. Good for you not attening the detention.

 

True, but they shouldn't be brought in the workplace.

Thanks

 

BTW, what grade are you in?