I am compairing the two for future use. The towing is close together on them both. The SD had a slight advantage but both meet or exceed my needs. Can you guys give me any arguments for one over the other? The 7700 appears to have a cost advantage.

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97 F-150 SC Lariat, Styleside, White over Gold, 4.6L (Windsor), Automatic, 3.55 rear end, electronic 4X4, w/ every option of Lariat and ORP packages except the 17" wheels (I even got the OR decals now!) MOD's so far: K&N air box mod, Gibson Super Truck, clear Bugflector II, Leer TSC 600 hard cover, Bridgestone Dueler OWL ATP 265/75 R-16's, TrailMaster Invader N7 shocks, Smittybilt step bars, Ford moulded mud guards, "White-white" head lamps, Cloud Rider Design's SS Grill and bumper opening, Bosch Platinum + 4's, Hayden 30K+ Tranny Cooler,Class III Reece load distributing hitch system, full wiring including trailer battery charging system, Escort Sensor II Brake controller, Superchip

 

The transmission on the SD would probably be more robust, and I've heard of people getting the 250 for a better deal than the 150.

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'99 Lariat Supercab 4x4 SS
5.4L, 3.73 Diff (9.75" LSD Rear, 8.8" Front)
ORP: Skid Plates, LT265/70R17 GY Wrang. AT/S
Group III towing: HD Electrical/Cooling, GVWR 6500# (Extra leaf spring).
Step Bars
4W Disc anti-lock brakes
K&N filter
Stock Items That Differ Across F150s: Steel Driveshaft, Oil filter bolted to engine w/ drip guard, 4R70W transmission.

 

cphillip: Make sure you ride in both of them too. I didn't look into the price of any of the 7700 to compair with the SD because I wanted the diesel. You will get a LOT more truck with the SD!!! Personally, I'd say get the SD because IF you did need that heavyer transmission ect. YOU would already have it. The only problem I can see would be in finding the SD on the lot that you want. These things sell like hot cakes in a blizzard. And ordering them has also taken a nose dive because of the high demand. Resale would also be better on the SD. The diesel doesn't seem to ever depreciate. Go test drive one of these puppies And if they have one, test drive the 6speed, it would/could pull a mountain and not even break a sweat!!!

Forgot to mention my "fuel" milage 18-22mpg Now I know the 7700 gasser can't beat that!! I'm actually hoping it will get better when the engine breaks-in Plus I've got a superchip which Mike T swears will improve fuel milage by 2-4mpg when towing. You can't beat that either!!
The SD crewcab interior is HUGE!!!

OK, I admit it, I love my truck

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2000 F250 Crew Cab 4x2 6 speed Diesel XLT Super Duty, Woodland Green
Power Mirrors, 3.73 LS, Captains Chairs, ARE tonneau top, mud flaps
Trailer tow Pkg, Class IV hitch, sliding rear window, running boards
rear privacy glass, 265/75/16 AS OWL tires, am/fm/cassette/cd
Clarion APA 5240 amp, Memphis speakers:Components front, 5x7 rear, 10"sub
SuperChip, Stepshields, Ventshields on windows, rubber bed mat
rugged liner bedliner on tailgate




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Yes, the lack of a diesel option is a draw back for the 7700. But the price difference is substantial between the 5.4L, and even the V10, compaired to the diesel. Was it you Tina that got a discount of some kind? And if so please share the details. Does the SD really have that much more room in the super cab option? I thought the Auto Tranny on both of these was the same. Since I am towing I will probably opt for that (also the Wife can't/won't drive a stick! ) The "100R" in both right?

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CPhilip posted:

Can you guys give me any arguments for one over the other? The 7700 appears to have a cost advantage.

Yes, I can. LOOKS - The SuperDuty looks like a truck. The 7700 looks like a glorified SUV. My argument, my opinion.



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Well looks is everything isn't it! However some will argue with you over which looks better so be prepared for that. Your only salvation is that this is the SD forum.

 

Well, like I said, my argument, my opinion.

Personally, the SuperDuty body style is the only thing that got me back into Fords.

I know they are not for everybody...but then if they were, Chevy and Dodge would be out business.

 

Does the SD 250 ride like the 150? Or is it more truck like? I ask cause I realized today that I could get a 250 for the same price as a 150 configured about the same. I'd much rather have the larger truck if the ride is as nice as the 150's ride.
Thanks

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I was in the same situation about a year ago and then came across a gorgeous '94 for sale and picked it up instead. My opinion is go for the Superduty but stay away from 5.4L unless it is mainly for driving. If you are doing some major towing, I would opt for the diesel instead of V10. The diesel would give better low end grunt and overall better fuel mileage than V10. I also checked cost on both trucks equally equipped and found the same. I believe the Superduty to have a shade rougher ride than F150 but you should expect that because of the suspension difference. I love the look of Superduty compared to the current F150. I was completely pissed at Ford when they brought the new look out in '97, I would have much rather seen the Triton Pickup (Detroit AutoShow '95) look instead of current F150 look. That is why I have turned to the Superduty for my new truck should I ever buy new unless the F150 becomes like the Triton look.

I have done some other figuring with the diesel option (back in mid '98) and found that it would take me approx. 2 1/3 years to make up for the difference in cost. Depending upon some of the options you want, they may not be available on the F150 but are standard or options on the Superduty. I have not done any comparing since then so things may be different now. Hope this doesn't confuse you.

Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean

1994 F-150 XLT Supercab, Long Box, 302 EFI, Automatic, Royal Blue in and out, Captain Chairs. Chrome Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 105S 235/75R15 (Summer), OEM Aluminum Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 108S (Winter), Lightly Tinted, Soft Tonneau Cover, Ford Receiver Hitch Cover & Lock, Alpine CDM-7829 Head Unit, PPI 4800 Amplifier, Kicker 10" Solo Baric Sub with Custom Box and Kicker Impulse 6.5 Mid & Tweets.

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CPhilip: Yes, I did get a whopper of a discount It's code is "60D" and is avaible on the diesel XLT 6 speed manual ONLY!! I believe Ford is trying to take the pressure off all the automatic orders and trying to get more to order the manual and they extended the time to get it to the end of March. Meaning if your order is put in at the dealer before Mar 31 you can get it. This option gave me for FREE: LT265/75Rx16 OWL all season tires, cab steps/running boards, sliding rear window, premium AM/FM/cassette/CD, and privacy glass. Go over to kelly blue book and price out these options. Also with the SD you can upgrade to captain's chairs for N/C.
On to the transmission: The automatic gets the 4R100 4-speed automatic. I've got the M6HD 6-speed manual. I've got no idea if after you actually get into the transmission if these are the same thing or not but my gear ratios are VERY different from the automatic. Not to mention that I've got a granny gear. These are my gear ratios. Low-5.79 1st-3.31 2nd-2.10 3rd-1.31 4th-1.00 5th-0.72 reverse-5.23 These are the automatics gear ratios. Low-n/a 1st-2.71 2nd-1.54 3rd-1.00 4th-0.71 5th-n/a reverse-2.18 Big differences between the two. But if your wife cant drive a stick, well either you would never have to worry about her wanting your truck or just get the automatic. Go take the wife for a test drive in the CREW CAB!! I think my CC rides a bit "heavier" than my 97 F150 4x4 did. Still, I do like riding in it. My husband has a 97 F350 that rides like the typ work truck, awful!! The superduty's are wider than the F150 so I would think their inside dimemsions would also be more, giving you more room than the F150 supercab.

 

Cphilip:
I had many similar questions as you.. My towing needs aren't that great so I could have done with an F150 (normal) or F250 SuperDuty.. I went with the SuperDuty.

If you compare both trucks with the similar options, there's less than $1000 difference. (of course this was without the diesel).
So, what do you get with the SuperDuty.
a. Better looking exterior. IMHO.
b. taller, wider, longer.. Its sortof nice having a 4x2 SD that sits higher than 4x4 F150's.
c. Bigger and roomier interior, front and back seats.
d. I prefered the ride of the SuperDuty, although it is a bit firmer than the F150.
e. The tranny is not the same in the SD vs F150 7700. SD uses the 4R100, the F150 doesnt.
Plus, in the SD you have the option of a 5sp, which I prefer.. I think if you get an F150 with the 5.4L, you have to get a auto tranny.

Ok, there are some who over generalize and say, 'the 5.4L is too small for the SD'. This is not true in all cases..
It depends on what options your buying in the SD..
I have Y2K F250 xlt 4x2 5.4L 5sp 4.10LS
It has great power, and averages 15.5mpg, (empty of course).

If you looking at CC + 4x4 + auto tranny, then the V10 starts looking like a better option.. (same mpg as the 5.4L would get, but more power).

 

Go for the F250 SD. Big interior, and its got power when you need it. And get the V10 if you can.

 

I may be in the minority, but I think the F150 is better looking overall. The SD looks good too, but IMHO it needs 4 wheel drive to go with its looks. But looks are subjective of course. The F150 7700 req's the 4R100 according to the kbb and other sites, so that should not be an issue. If you like the F150 7700 and it suits your needs, I would go with it. You will probably have a much shorter wait and Word is that most orders placed now for SD's won't be built as a 2000 model. However if you are wanting more power, more interior room (i.e. crew cab), longer bed, or even a bigger gas tank (and appetite to go with it), or more rugged 4WD, the SD is the way to go.

 

I recently upgraded from a '99 F-150 SC 4x4 to a '00 SD F-250 SC 4x4. There is a world of difference between these two trucks. I won't get into the looks either. The beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The SD is built to be used as a truck. While the F-150 is quite capable as a light duty truck, it is just that, light duty. This isn't a bad thing either. It just depends on what you intend to use your truck for. The SD has bigger front and rear differentials, plus an exclusive, SD only, transfer case. It is a beefed up unit used only by Ford in the SD series. Everything about these trucks is built for work. Yes, they are sitting on a solid front axle with leaf springs, but it's darn near bulletproof. The IFS setup on the F-150s is meant as a compromise between a car-like ride and truck utility. On the road, the SD ride is a bit firmer than the 150, but not objectionable. If the road is full of bumps and holes, the 150 will ride better, due to the IFS. A lighter capacity suspension will yield a better ride. You must realize however, that the 7700 GVW 150 is no match for the 8800 GVW of the SD 250.
As for engines, that would depend on your intended use. I prefer the V-10. The 5.4 may be fine for your use, but with a SC, auto, and a plow, etc., I went with a V-10. There is no way that a diesel makes sense for me and my intended uses. There is the initial cost, greatly increased maintenance costs, lack of good diesel mechanics to think about. The most important thing here is that diesels are not popular at all here. As a matter of fact, dealers here won't even stock one.
The cab is bigger on the SD than on the 150 also. I prefer the SD to the 150. That is the reason that I bought one. If your needs/wants are different you have to buy what you feel is right for you.

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Thjanks all.

So far I have gotten the following response from a local dealer:

"for a F-250 supercab, V10 engine, 2 wheel drive 3.73LS XLT model with towing package. The retail price on the vehicle is $28,535. We will be happy to order the vehicle for you. Your price is $26,700 plus tax and fees . Please let me know if we can order this vehicle for you. ETA is 6-8 weeks." (I know the tax part but what the heck are fees?)

And yesterday I looked at a use 99 F250 SD SC with auto, ORP(not shift on the fly), and Towing package, Bed liner. It had 31K on it. Bottom line was $26,300 "out the door" (what does that mean?)

Still waiting on quotes for a 7700. It's MSRP, as I want it is, $27,600. I assume it will come in at just under 26K.