CPhilip: you asked about fees: please watch out here with your salesman as "some" tend to go hog wild at this point!! These are the fees I had to pay and please note that these are different (from what I can understand of this) and dependent on what area of the country you're in.
Destination & Delivery $665 (same for everyone)
11 US gal gas factory $16.50 You can be charged more or less!
FDAF ASSESSMENT $160 again you can be charged more or less
State and Local taxes
Title, tags & Registration
Processing Fee $125 This is another of those that can be any figure. I got my dealer to eat this one

Out the door usually means that's the bottom price and the "fees" are already included!! I bet they still add tax, tags, & registration!! Also make sure it's got a warrenty!!

Also if you order a SD before you order, make 100% sure that the dealer has the allocation to order it. Allocations are becoming VERY rare on the SD's and order times are streaching way out. I would question that 6-8 week time frame!!

Did you price out the SD V10 with www.kbb.com ??? Make sure you use their invoice prices, add Dest & Del if it's not already included in kbb's price and then add gas and FDAF. This will get you the ballpark figure. Anything over that is going to the dealer.

 

No, I used the Ford site for the MSRP's but looking at Kellys I don't see some options to calculate and deduct for the the invoice price. It looks like a F150 7700 w/ 5.4L would have an invoice of just slightly over 24K and a F250 w/ a V10 would be about 26K. Both with XLT trim leverl, trailer tow pkg, Auto tranny,Tilt wheel/Auto Lamps/keyless entry/ antitheft,+ singe CD and 3.73 LS. I am towing a 3800 pound travel trailer that has a max GVWR of 5800 pounds. Sales Tax here is SC is $300 and tags are $25. Forgot to mention that was with the destination included in the invoice.

Oh and that used one: All it has left is the factory. But I have a 100K one on my present truck that for a fee ($50) and some loss of mile from prorating could be transfered to this one. Probably would end up with 60K to 70K coverage.



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I just checked my DORA and my truck invoiced out at $28125 When I got the truck they also gave me the window sticker, it had $32050 Tax, tags and a little extra to pad the salesman's pocket brought mine up to $29743 (that was my REAL out the door price) Not bad when you look at what I got. Good luck with which ever one you decide on. Hey did you get your wife to take a test drive in a CC yet???

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2000 F250 Crew Cab 4x2 6 speed Diesel XLT Super Duty, Woodland Green
Power Mirrors, 3.73 LS, Captains Chairs, ARE tonneau top, mud flaps
Trailer tow Pkg, Class IV hitch, sliding rear window, running boards
rear privacy glass, 265/75/16 AS OWL tires, am/fm/cassette/cd
Clarion APA 5240 amp, Memphis speakers:Components front, 5x7 rear, 10"sub
SuperChip, Stepshields, Ventshields on windows, rubber bed mat
rugged liner bedliner on tailgate

 

No, she has just now gotten over being mad at me for even looking! But good news, she went cruising car lots with me yesterday for the first time. Not open on Sundays here so no harm but it is a step in the right direction. I have now been given the go ahead to do the preliminaries and shop it around. Not like I don't spend half my time dreaming about new comsumer goods anyway! I will have to work her up to the riding part.

Interesting thing however. I saw a lot of F250SD's in Super Cabs with practically what I want (towing XLT etc.) but they were all 5.4L! Real good prices however. Most stickered at 24K. I thought they were having trouble keeping up with 5.4L production. I found no F150 7700's on the lot anywhere.

Do you guys/gal think the SD with a 5.4L and 3.73 will handle my 24 foot/3800 pound (I estimate it a 4200 fully loaded) trailer ok? And would it really be much of an improvment in "get up and go" as my current truck which pulls it alright but could use some more uuuumph for long distance hauling? Wonder if they would let me borrow one for a day? Hmmmmm?

One more down side if Edmunds is correct. The F250 SD with any gas engine shows the 3.73 limited slip is not available. It says you have to go to 4.10 to get LS. That can't be right huh? It says you can only get it with the diesel. It is available on the 7700 and yes you do get the option 44E (RW100) tranny now with any 5.4L regaurdless of if its a F150 or F250. Good decision Ford.



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The hardest thing I know of trying to get is the CREW CAB. There are none here at my dealership. The last two I saw were special orders. About towing: It looks like you're well withen the range 5.4 4x2 3.73 8100lbs/GCWR 13500lbs or with 4.10 9600lbs/GCWR 15000lbs Your fuel milage will be in the sewer but it should pull it with no problem. I think you may be right about that LS only being on certain engines with certain axles. I think I could only get the 3.73 w/LS (don't quote me on this, it's been one of those days and my brain is dragging ) If you do ever get your wife into a Crew Cab (make sure it's a Lariat) she will wonder what made her wait so long

 

I have:
Y2K F250 XLT 4x2 5.4L 5sp 4.10LS

My truck has plenty of power and would pull the trailer your talking about..
You are correct, the only way to get the LS is with the 4.10. I think the 4.10 is a much better ratio for the 5.4L anyway. Its a heavy truck and you'd be working your 5sp or auto tranny pretty hard if you had the 3.73.. I'm not a fan of auto trannies, and very much prefer the feel of my truck in the 5sp vs one's with the auto..(This is just a personal preference, and no slam on the extremly capable heavy duty auto tranny)

I'm averaging 15.5 mpg, mixed driving city/highway.. I doubt that the 3.73 will give you any better mileage in average conditions..

Your in a great situation where you can testdrive a few, so have at it.. Trust what you feel. These are great trucks!

 

Well... I am pretty much stuck with the Auto tranny because of my wife. It would be cheaper to pay the extra gas than exchange her.(just kidding).

I think I will test drive the F250 with the 5.4 and a F150 4X4 with 5.4 (because I can't find a 7700 and this might simulate the weight a little) to get a feel for it.

Keep in mind my trailer weighs 3800 pounds dry and could (max GVW) weigh as much as 5600 pounds (fully loaded with lots gear and water tanks full). It still boggles my mind how I could get 1800 pounds of stuff in it but that is the rating. I do not pull with tanks full now nor have very much gear in it as I do not want to stress my current truck out. But I am contemplating the move up so I can take londger trips with much gear and supplies.

Tina, my gas mileage is in the sewer now anyway! But thanks for chearing me up.

One more point: The F250 with 5.4L and 3.73's has a tow rating 1000 pounds less than the F150 7700 with the same gears which I can get LS in. But both offer a safe margin above my needs to account for hilly terrain and lots of supplies.

Plus for the Super Duty are larger gas tank, better visability.

Plus for the 7700 availabiltiy of 3.73LS in an overall lighter truck, More car like ride when not towing.

 

cphilip...I bought my SuperDuty pretty much over the Internet. I hit pretty much every site where I could price out a truck and got what MSRP was supposed to be for what I wanted. I went to Autobytel.com, and went thru the process there. They contact dealers in an area you say you are willing to travel to get a truck. I went with one of their contacts who agreed to order me a truck. It took almost 3 months. My truck priced out MSRP right at $39000. By the way KBB.com can get you the invoice price. They were darn close on my truck. I ended up ordering at $500 over invoice.

The best I could do by going to the lot and purchasing one off the lot was $2000 more than I could get one if I ordered.

I am sure ordering is not for everyone but if you can wait...you can save money. Also, this varies in different parts of the country...but I did not have to put one dime down on the truck I ordered.

 

cphilip, traded my 97 150 4x4 in 3 weeks ago for a V10SD. The superduty is a better deal for the money. Get the V10 over the 5.4, its only like $400 more, pennies relative to the costs of the truck.Consider it like insurance, it's better to have it and not need it, than someday wish you had it when you do need it! Good luck

 

Well guess what. My dealer called and he had a F150 7700 in that has 2000 miles on it. It's a 2000 SC short bed 5.4L with 3.73 LS. Unfortunately it is a Lariat. He wants a little over 26K for it. I was looking for an XLT trim but we are only 3000 apart on this one verses what the max I want to spend. Giving it some thought. It is also the wrong color. It is that new dark red color. Looks sharp and is loaded but I was going to get away from the leather seats. Hmmmm!

 

I have a 99 F250 Light Duty S/C with the 5.4L and 3.73 gears and it pulls my 5000 pound 26ft travel trailer easily, I believe I'm rated around 8600 pounds. My 98 F150 had the 4.6l 3.55 and was rated at 7000, as much as I loved that truck it couldn't handle the load.

Go with what you can afford, you don't know what you'll bew pulling in a few years. Ever since Tina posted that she got that monster I can't stop thinking of those F250 Crew Cabs, sharp truck. My wife is gonna kill me if I make it 3 trucks in 3 years

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99 F250XLT Supercab LD
5.4L 3.73 LS
White/Silver
Graphite interior
6 CD changer/Captain's Chairs

 

I just ordered a 2000 F150/7700 XLT 4x4 SC today, here are my reasons for choosing the F150/7700 over the SD:

1) Interior layout and comfort of the F150 trucks are more comfortable and ride is better. I do not care for the dash layout, gauges or the cloth options in the SD. As far as the exterior of both trucks I agree the Superduty is better looking but I also love the looks of the F150 bodystyle which has grown on me since owning my first one (97 F150 reg cab).

3) Availability; I work as a newspaper advertising sales rep and I deal with several large Ford truck dealers, these dealers have told me that a custom ordered Super Duty could take months with the V10 optioned SD taking the longest. The dealers claim that Ford's production of the SD line of trucks is not big enough to currently fulfill demand. Waiting 6 to 8 weeks for the 7700 will be tough enough, I am not prepared for a 6-8 month wait on a SuperDuty SC 4x4 V10.

3) Performance: it is my feeling that the 7700 SC 4x4 package with the 5.4 will outperform a similarly equipped SD 250 5.4. I realize there is a V10 option on the Superduty but I am not willing get gas mileage in the 11-14mpg range on the highway. I test drove a F250 SC 4x4 V10 this past weekend and I was not impressed with the V10, although it was powerful it also made very strange noises when upshifting (auto trans) and seemed quite noisy. I am sure this is a potent engine but it is not one I would choose for my every day driving.

My 7700 will mainly be personal transportation and will also haul a 24' V-Nose 4-place snowmobile trailer. I feel the 7700 will be more than enough truck for what I intend to use it for.

Don't get me wrong...I love the Superduty but it was not the right truck for me at this time for the above reasons. I felt the 7700 was the best choice for me and I was able to custom order it for invoice cost and no document fee. Invoice price was $26,516 and included XLT trim, supercab, auto, 5.4, captains chairs, keyless entry, tinted glass, trailer towing, and engine block heater. Until I can afford a F350 4x4 SC Dually with the PowerStroke Diesel I won't be buying a SD.

Also, both local Ford dealerships I checked out had in stock between four to six F150/7700's to choose from. I am suprised to hear others around the country are having a hard time finding these trucks.

JRO1

 

Intersting discovery. I checked a 2000 F150 7700 door tag today. Transmission code was U. I then went over and checked a 99 F150 with a 5.4L and towing package. Its Tranny code was also U. The Dealer is saying that all the 99 plus Towing package trucks got the 4R100 as well as the new 7700. I thought the U code was for the 4R70W? I crawl under and sure enough they two trannys are much bigger than the one on my 97. I heard they beefed up the 4R70W for the 5.4L in 99. Is that why it looks different or is the U code for the 4R100? I'm really confused now. OK... I give up what tranny is under there?

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cphilip: Would you be interested in a '99 F250 SD XLT 4x4 4-door extended cab shortbox? 5.4 motor & 3.73 gears,tow package,camper package,elect. shift on fly,rear slider,alloy wheels,factory running boards,class IV hitch,& only 12,000 miles. White in color & below wholesale @ $23,500. If so, reply. Will be available in two weeks.Perfect condition.

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cphilip, one thing to keep in mind is that an F150 7700 w/3.73 is equivalent to a F250SD with a 3.91 b/c of the F150's smaller tire size.