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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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I was REALLY wanting an AEM Brute Force intake, but I waited until I talked to Bill and Corey when I ordered my Gryphon yesterday to get their recommendation. They did not recommend any aftermarket intake, since the Gotts Mod gains the same HP for only a couple of dollars vs. $250-$300 for an aftermarket intake. But still, you gotta love the way that Brute Force looks AND sounds! (I still want one).

P.S. Did I mention I ordered my GRYPHON?
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 03:42 AM
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check out this page and click on proof http://bankspower.com/products/show/32/50
Nice to see someone back up what they say. But I still couldn't find a dyno sheet from the banks? And it looks like the banks ram air gets air from under the truck....prob not the best for my situation because I drive gravel everyday.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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just ordered an AEM brute force intake...cant wait to get back state side and put it on in 2 weeks
 
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 01:06 AM
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Very nice post! Really brought the info to back it up! I think I will stick with my stock intake and maybe try the "GOTTS" mod. Then maybe just replace the filter with an aftermarket drop in. I think the $50 drop in with the $5 GOTTS mod will be much more worth my money....what do you think? Then again the numbers don't lie.....maybe I could spend the extra $ if I knew it was worth it....
 
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 1961 Mercury
If you want the best bang for your buck you could do what I did with my 08 when it was new ,I added Bi-Tron products to all my oils and I use their fuel conditioner all the time. I reached. 23.5 mpg with 800lbs of hardwood flooring onboard. You can check out these products on my web site http://savebucks.bitronglobal.biz
23.5 MPGS!!!! I am checking that out right now! I didn't even dream to get 23.5 let alone anything over 17. The highest I have ever gotten is about 16.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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I have a friend here in Clearwater who has an 05 and he has the K&N intake with an Edge programmer and the best he was able to get on the highway was 18mpg
 
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 1961 Mercury
Test Setup
A 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4 Quad Cab Long Bed with the Cummins 5.9L engine and automatic transmission was used as the test vehicle.
So you think a Dodge CUMMINS is the same as a GASOLINE F150?
 
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Arca_ex
So you think a Dodge CUMMINS is the same as a GASOLINE F150?
He brings up a good point. Numbers directly related to the 3v 5.4 would make the stock comparisons actually mean something
 
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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Well in my opinion with the alum. tube being one of the best heat conductors I would think you would see simular results with the Ford application,or do you think different?
 
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 1961 Mercury
http://www.aempower.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=1389 (Quote off of their site!)Carbon-Black powdercoated steel heat shield included (when applicable) Inlet constructed lightweight 6063 aluminum and mandrel bent for maximum flow.
Once again metal transfers more heat,therfore losing air density and power gains
you do realize how fast the air is moving through that intke tube dont you. the extra heat is not going to make any difference because the air doesnt sit there long enough. the stock intake flows more than enough air for these trucks, so maybe the banks does flow more air than the rest i dont know but either way it is overkill. talk to any of the tuners and thy will tell that a cai is not needed. if i woud have found this site and learned this stuff i before i bought my cai i would not have bought one.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 1961 Mercury
http://www.aempower.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=1389 (Quote off of their site!)Carbon-Black powdercoated steel heat shield included (when applicable) Inlet constructed lightweight 6063 aluminum and mandrel bent for maximum flow.
Once again metal transfers more heat,therfore losing air density and power gains
I agree with that. I was just interested in seeing numbers for our trucks. Its probably similar results. But the stock intake on our trucks are pretty good as far as stock intakes go. So I would think that the difference would be minimal.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hoss66
you do realize how fast the air is moving through that intke tube dont you. the extra heat is not going to make any difference because the air doesnt sit there long enough. the stock intake flows more than enough air for these trucks, so maybe the banks does flow more air than the rest i dont know but either way it is overkill. talk to any of the tuners and thy will tell that a cai is not needed. if i woud have found this site and learned this stuff i before i bought my cai i would not have bought one.
The numbers were read from sensors which measure temp of the air so I guess the air wasn't moving fast enough cause it still got hot. Results show cooler air = more power that's all!
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 1961 Mercury
Well in my opinion with the alum. tube being one of the best heat conductors I would think you would see simular results with the Ford application,or do you think different?
if you stopped to think, there are a number of other intakes that are made of plastic, that don't make as much power as the AF1 3.5 which is generally accepted as being the best performing intake for the 04-08 5.4. The composition of the intake tube doesn't seem to make a bit of difference in the numbers that the AF1 makes. The difference is in the engineering of the intake (MAF placement, intake velocity, air charge density, etc...) interestingly enough, aluminum, which you specified above, does an excellent job of reflecting radiant heat which is the exact same type of heat transfer one would see in an engine compartment. whether or not metal intakes are aluminum, I can't comment on. If they are, there's another hole in your theory.

putting a scoop on a box, then posting the "results" on a website that promotes your product couldn't be considered anything but the absolute truth, right?.....right?

btw, Hoss has it right. The air doesn't dwell in the intake long enough for any meaningful amount of heat transfer to occur. A pot of water doesn't boil instantly on a stove, and a bottle of water doesn't freeze instantly when you put it in the freezer. Same principle.
 

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