I have def learned alot from this post, but I have one question. What is the loudest setup avail., I know most of you don't like loud but I love it? I would like to get the most performance as well, what company has the best mixture? I am not going to go straight pipes like alot of posts have recommended. The setup i was thinking was the Magnaflow hi flow cats with the magnaflow SI/SO and bigger tips. Anyone think this will give me the sound I want (loud and deep, like a rumble)?

 

A guy on the next street over has a Dodge Hemi Ram. He's got some exhaust called Vortex, I've never heard of them. When he starts his truck or drives by my house, it litteraly shakes my windows. Another option you could go is to go by any Meinike. They do Flowmaster Duals for $350 + tax. The guy at the counter told me if you get the race muffler (Delta Force? I don't remember what series) you probably won't be able to drive to the gas station and back without a ticket for disturbing the peace.

As for the claim about Magnaflow, like I said, I have no problem with Troyer. I think they are a top notch company and I plan on doing business with them in the near future. The problem I have is making a claim about HP and not having a DYNO sheet or number to back it up. Mike Troyer even wrote in a post about another tuner company that is posting bogus claims for HP for a tuner. How does the consumer verify these numbers? The answer is simple: You can't unless you buy the product and do before and after dyno runs. Not very cheap for the average Joe. Of course you can always post a fake dyno sheet or something like that but that's a bigger problem. Gibson is the only company that puts dyno #'s on their website in a place you can find it. I don't know if the numbers are accurate but at least they post them. I'm not trying to bash anyone or any company. I simply like to see proof before I spend my hard earned money.

I work with a guy who owns a Hemi Dodge. He bought a Hypertech Tuner, $400, and did in fact do before and after dyno runs, cost him over $500. The Hypertech guy he talked to on the phone said he'll get an extra 40HP. There isn't a dyno # on the Hypertech website so all he had to go by was word of mouth from some guy on the phone. He got 14. He got a partial refund or some nonsense like that. The point is that he was promised something that fell way short.

The guy that used to do all my above normal maintenance on my old Chevy works for the NJ state police as a mechanic. He has his own gig on the side for extra $$$. He said the NJSP buys Finess with them in the near future. The problem I have is making a claim about HP and not having a DYNO sheet or number to back it up. Mike Troyer even wrote in a post about another tuner company that is posting bogus claims for HP for a tuner. How does the consumer verify these numbers? The answer is simple: You can't unless you buy the product and do before and after dyno runs. Not very cheap for the average Joe. Of course you can always post a fake dyno sheet or something like that but that's a bigger problem. Gibson is the only company that puts dyno #'s on their website in a place you can find it. I don't know if the numbers are accurate but at least they post them. I'm not trying to bash anyone or any company. I simply like to see proof before I spend my hard earned money.

I work with a guy who owns a Hemi Dodge. He bought a Hypertech Tuner, $400, and did in fact do before and after dyno runs, cost him over $500. The Hypertech guy he talked to on the phone said he'll get an extra 40HP. There isn't a dyno # on the Hypertech website so all he had to go by was word of mouth from some guy on the phone. He got 14. He got a partial refund or some nonsense like that. The point is that he was promised something that fell way short.

The guy that used to do all my above normal maintenance on my old Chevy works for the NJ state police as a mechanic. He has his own gig on the side for extra $$$. He said the NJSP buys Flowmaster mufflers in bulk and makes their own pipes. It's cheaper that way. This guy is an ASE certified Ford, GM, Dodge, etc Master Technician. He said that you will maybe see a difference of 10 HP between systems regardless of what company makes it. He also cautioned that you may even lose power with certain set ups. Mike Troyer makes some mention of this on his website. Bottom line, it usually comes down to sound which is a strictly subjective rating. Too each his own...

Sorry this is long and drawn out...

KC-10 FE out...

 

Flowmaster definately has the reputation for being loud. They may have a performance muffler that will give you more HP that is just as loud as their 40 series, don't know.

Another option is to go with a performance glass pack. You may want to check into those, they have more flow than most any other performance muffler and they are pretty dang loud. Usually the shorter the louder they are.

No matter which brand you go with, you can add a resonance tip to add more depth and some of those high flow cats that you were talking about.

Good Luck on whatever you decide.

 

Sorry about the duplicate stuff in my last post?????? It won't let me delete it????

KC-10 FE out...

 

Magnaflow Dyno.



There is some more info on their site that shows the difference in HP, between the OEM pipes vs the Magnaflow.

I understand what you are saying though...it is only wise to do your research before you spend your hard earned money. I have done my research and I had decided on Magnaflow before I had ever seen the Troyer Setup. They just confirmed what I had already decided.

 

Well I got my exhaust done today...and I'm pretty pleased....If I can figure out how to post picks I will...the only issue that I don't like is that the guy said he didn't have a 2.5 pipe for the new after may f150 so he used 2.25....Does anyone know if thats going to be a huge issue....he said he could do it but he would have to bend the pipe himself and it would be more money. If I was unsatisfied he would change it out when the pipes come out? Other than that the sound is awesome a little on the loud side...I haven't noticed any real horsepower gains...I went with the true duals and I splurged and got the magnaflow SS tips. It took them about 2.5 hours and I got it for 450 tax included.

 

Congrats man!! Sounds like a good pretty good setup, and it's nice to know that your installer is willing to work with you!! Get those pics posted as soon as you can.

 

K....I'll get some updated pics tomorrow and I'll get the exhaust pics out!! I think I got the pics thing down!!

 

Hey Guys!

Been reading your dualing comments. Sounds most excellent. I was at a Car-X today asking about a true dual system. The guy told me it was against federal regulations for him to mess with anything in front of the CC. Is that true? If so, how did they set up your true duals? I'm looking to go true dual with the Magnaflow setup. Thanks for any info!

 

He told you the truth, it is against federal law to tamper with the cats. The 04s have 2 cats.

 

WTH? It's clean under there.

 

Thanks for the info and the great shot!

Can they add a CC? If not, how does one go about adding true duals to a 2000 with only one cat?

 

Do you have an I6???

My 2000 5.4 L come with 4 cats from the factory.

kbldawg's pic shows a cat back system, which is a pre fabricated exhaust from the stock catalytic converters back. They are available from most all exhaust manufacturers for any vehicle.

 

For the most part you are right. It is basically the same thing as a CAT-Back exhaust. But it isn't a pre-fab. It's actually a custom job that was made at a local Muffler Shop/Magnaflow dealer.

 

legally? I don't know about that. If it were I, I would get two high flow magnaflow cats, and two magnaflow mufflers, and just do it. Unless, your state requires a emessions test every year or something.

PONY,

Yeah, now if it would just stay that way...I would be a happy camper, but for some reason..I imagine it will be lookin pretty nasty in a couple years.