Remote start not working - "Learn Tach" not working?
#1
Remote start not working - "Learn Tach" not working?
I have an 05 F150 with the factory installed Remote Start, Model 2W7J-19G367-AA, RMST.
When I hit the remote start , it goes through a proper start sequence, but it only runs for 1-2 seconds after starting, then shuts down. It does 3 attempts with the same result.
My battery was low through the summer, so something in the program may have been reset. I have checked through the program, and everything looks ok, except that I cannot do a “Learn Tachometer” sequence. I go through the program steps for the “learn tach” function, but the system does not “chirp” every 3 seconds while doing the procedure. I checked all the wiring and I have a good connection to my injector wiring for my tach sense input, and the tach sense line does go to 12+ volts when the engine starts.
It looks like my hood switch is defective, because I unbolted it from its mount and tilted it up and down and it does not seem to switch. I assume this switch is meant to just short out to ground when the hood is closed. I tried to simulate the switch by just shorting the line to ground, but this did not work either. Funny thing is – with a defective hood open switch, I would have thought the remote start sequence would not have even started – I should have just gotten 2 chirps on the horn with no attempted starts if the system thought the hood was open.?. I also played with the “Key-in sense input polarity” thinking this might affect the hood switch polarity also but could not get any results on that test either.
My next step will be to buy a new hood switch and see if it helps. Maybe a full short at the hood switch is not correct, and this is preventing the “tach learn”? – I believe a saw something like 57mV on the hood switch line when I was messing with the Key sense input polarity”, but I’m not sure if this correct – too many tests in one day to keep track…
I have cut & pasted the steps for the “Tach Learn” procedure + the options chart out of the manual – for reference.
Any help / tips / insight on my problem would be much appreciated
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Tach (Idle speed) programming - Remote Start Systems Only
A. Make sure that the hood is closed before proceeding.
B. Enter option learn mode as described in step 2 of this section.
C. € RKE/VSS/RMST & RKE/RMST systems - Advance to option bank # 5 (8 chirps)
€ RMST system - Advance to option bank #2 (5 chirps) .
D. € RKE/VSS/RMST & RKE/RMST system - Advance to option #6;
€ RMST system - Advance to option #2.
E. Press and hold in the brake pedal and start the engine using the ignition key.
Allow the engine to settle to a normal idle speed. The system will chirp the horn every three (3) seconds if a valid tach signal is
detected.
F. After the engine has settled to a normal idle speed, press and release the programming/override button (the horn will honk four (4) times) and turn the ignition key off.
NOTE: If the system is not chirping the horn every three (3) seconds after the engine has started, the system is not seeing a valid tach signal. Check your tach connection (refer to the appropriate vehicle specific wiring diagram)
RMST OPTION CHART
Option Bank 1 – 4 chirps
1 – Selectable chirps
Enables arming/disarming confirmation chirps (uses horn). ...... On
2 – Horn used for alarm
Horn sounds during alarm/panic cycles .................................. On
3 – Tach diagnostic mode
This feature should only be used for troubleshooting purposes only!
Car start function ignores tach input, cranks starter one time for one second.
WARNING – Over rev and stall detection is disabled. ............... Off
4 – Car start run time
LED On – 15 minutes, LED Off – 10 minutes ........................... Off
5 – One button start
Activates remote start by press and hold of start button........... Off
6 – Diesel timer
Delays crank attempt 30 seconds after ignition on. .................. Off
Option Bank 2 – 5 chirps
1 – Key-in sense input polarity
LED On – Positive, LED Off – Negative.................................... Off (Negative)
2 – Learn tachometer
With hood open start engine. System will chirp horn
every five seconds if a valid tach signal is present.
When I hit the remote start , it goes through a proper start sequence, but it only runs for 1-2 seconds after starting, then shuts down. It does 3 attempts with the same result.
My battery was low through the summer, so something in the program may have been reset. I have checked through the program, and everything looks ok, except that I cannot do a “Learn Tachometer” sequence. I go through the program steps for the “learn tach” function, but the system does not “chirp” every 3 seconds while doing the procedure. I checked all the wiring and I have a good connection to my injector wiring for my tach sense input, and the tach sense line does go to 12+ volts when the engine starts.
It looks like my hood switch is defective, because I unbolted it from its mount and tilted it up and down and it does not seem to switch. I assume this switch is meant to just short out to ground when the hood is closed. I tried to simulate the switch by just shorting the line to ground, but this did not work either. Funny thing is – with a defective hood open switch, I would have thought the remote start sequence would not have even started – I should have just gotten 2 chirps on the horn with no attempted starts if the system thought the hood was open.?. I also played with the “Key-in sense input polarity” thinking this might affect the hood switch polarity also but could not get any results on that test either.
My next step will be to buy a new hood switch and see if it helps. Maybe a full short at the hood switch is not correct, and this is preventing the “tach learn”? – I believe a saw something like 57mV on the hood switch line when I was messing with the Key sense input polarity”, but I’m not sure if this correct – too many tests in one day to keep track…
I have cut & pasted the steps for the “Tach Learn” procedure + the options chart out of the manual – for reference.
Any help / tips / insight on my problem would be much appreciated
4
Tach (Idle speed) programming - Remote Start Systems Only
A. Make sure that the hood is closed before proceeding.
B. Enter option learn mode as described in step 2 of this section.
C. € RKE/VSS/RMST & RKE/RMST systems - Advance to option bank # 5 (8 chirps)
€ RMST system - Advance to option bank #2 (5 chirps) .
D. € RKE/VSS/RMST & RKE/RMST system - Advance to option #6;
€ RMST system - Advance to option #2.
E. Press and hold in the brake pedal and start the engine using the ignition key.
Allow the engine to settle to a normal idle speed. The system will chirp the horn every three (3) seconds if a valid tach signal is
detected.
F. After the engine has settled to a normal idle speed, press and release the programming/override button (the horn will honk four (4) times) and turn the ignition key off.
NOTE: If the system is not chirping the horn every three (3) seconds after the engine has started, the system is not seeing a valid tach signal. Check your tach connection (refer to the appropriate vehicle specific wiring diagram)
RMST OPTION CHART
Option Bank 1 – 4 chirps
1 – Selectable chirps
Enables arming/disarming confirmation chirps (uses horn). ...... On
2 – Horn used for alarm
Horn sounds during alarm/panic cycles .................................. On
3 – Tach diagnostic mode
This feature should only be used for troubleshooting purposes only!
Car start function ignores tach input, cranks starter one time for one second.
WARNING – Over rev and stall detection is disabled. ............... Off
4 – Car start run time
LED On – 15 minutes, LED Off – 10 minutes ........................... Off
5 – One button start
Activates remote start by press and hold of start button........... Off
6 – Diesel timer
Delays crank attempt 30 seconds after ignition on. .................. Off
Option Bank 2 – 5 chirps
1 – Key-in sense input polarity
LED On – Positive, LED Off – Negative.................................... Off (Negative)
2 – Learn tachometer
With hood open start engine. System will chirp horn
every five seconds if a valid tach signal is present.
Last edited by stumpjump; 10-20-2013 at 12:04 PM. Reason: changed "door" switch to "hood" switch 4 places
#2
ive got the same issue. same remote start system on my 06. but mine tries 5 times before giving up. I tested my tach signal line wiring under a load and didnt get any voltage drop. Now when I try ti enter the programming mode using the button absolutely nothing happens. and when I try to program a remote using the 8 turn of the key method the locks click and I hit a remote button and nothing happens
#3
ive got the same issue. same remote start system on my 06. but mine tries 5 times before giving up. I tested my tach signal line wiring under a load and didnt get any voltage drop. Now when I try ti enter the programming mode using the button absolutely nothing happens. and when I try to program a remote using the 8 turn of the key method the locks click and I hit a remote button and nothing happens
What do you mean by "testing your tach signal line under load"?
#5
I'm brand new to this. Please bare with me.
First of all HELLO everyone!
I have remote starter issues. It tries 3 times to start but does not engage the starter. I have checked all the fuses under the hood and driver side panel. I replaced the module 2W7Z-19G367-AA and still did not fix the problem. Still does the same thing. Is there an in line fuse I should be looking for? Also, I purchased a new FOB and I cannot find the programming button on the wiring harness.
Any ideas?
First of all HELLO everyone!
I have remote starter issues. It tries 3 times to start but does not engage the starter. I have checked all the fuses under the hood and driver side panel. I replaced the module 2W7Z-19G367-AA and still did not fix the problem. Still does the same thing. Is there an in line fuse I should be looking for? Also, I purchased a new FOB and I cannot find the programming button on the wiring harness.
Any ideas?
Last edited by trevor hounsome; 11-05-2013 at 04:22 PM. Reason: Added new info
#6
After testing, everything seems to be correct on my installation, yet the truck will still not start. I bypassed my hood switch - just shorted the line to ground - so I know it is not a problem. Also I checked my tach signal, the voltage on this line does vary as motor rpm changes. The installer I spoke with says that if everything checks out, but the truck still does not start, then it is likely the "brain" - the primary module. Apparently this is common, that when they fail everything seems to work except that they won't actually start. He's going to see if he can borrow a "brain" from the local ford dealer to swap out and test.
#7
After testing, everything seems to be correct on my installation, yet the truck will still not start. I bypassed my hood switch - just shorted the line to ground - so I know it is not a problem. Also I checked my tach signal, the voltage on this line does vary as motor rpm changes. The installer I spoke with says that if everything checks out, but the truck still does not start, then it is likely the "brain" - the primary module. Apparently this is common, that when they fail everything seems to work except that they won't actually start. He's going to see if he can borrow a "brain" from the local ford dealer to swap out and test.
I might be able to change out the PC-32 module also and get it functioning fully -but maybe not... and the PC 32 is another $200 so I think I'll just live with it the way it is
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#9
Hey, where is the tach signal wire and what color is it? Also would like to know what voltage is on the wire. I realize it will be pulsed. Wanting to tap this signal to use with a micro-controller. Thanks.