I didn't say that - I said I have no use for some of them. If you don't either, good for you. Again, your prerogative. I'm gonna watch where I'm going & try to keep track of what the other idiots are doing. (Yes, I'm an idiot occasionally, too, but no amount of electronics will change that.)
Have you ever rolled a big honking SUV? I have. There's not enough side impact involved to need the side impact beams. Side impact beams aren't for rollovers - they're for SIDE IMPACTS. And guess what - with all the miniature econobox foil coffins on the road, the FLOOR of an SUV makes a damn effective side-impact beam.Good for you. Have you read that thread? I haven't because all the others I've read like it are about people who have gotten into dangerous situations BECAUSE of the ABS being overactive. Especially in snow & ice. That's why Ford added a disable switch to some vehicles. So this guy is basically asking how to UPdate his vehicle to the LATEST "safety system".Huh??? Not really. Once you set them, they stay active forever. And your "DRLs with taillights" is just Autolamps that are on all the time (put something over the sunlight sensor). So what you're saying is every vehicle should always have every light turned on. Yeah, that'll help all the idiots notice each other.


...NOT!

 

Ok Steve, do what you like, you don't like wearing seat belts, I wish you luck if you're ever in a serious accident my friend.

the FLOOR of an SUV makes a damn effective side-impact beam.
I have no idea what you mean by this.

Also, I think having side impact beams in a rollover would be a good thing, especially since you won't have any choice about what you're rolling into. My point was that trucks and SUV's are more susceptible to rollovers than cars, and in such a case having the side impact beams would be beneficial.

UPdate his vehicle to the LATEST "safety system".
So disabling the ABS is an advanced option? Interesting concept, Steve, please elaborate.

Once you set them, they stay active forever. And your "DRLs with taillights" is just Autolamps that are on all the time (put something over the sunlight sensor). So what you're saying is every vehicle should always have every light turned on. Yeah, that'll help all the idiots notice each other.

Ok, back to the actual point of this argument, forget all the other stuff. First, Yeah, that's right, you have to set them on, DUH! But people switch them off and forget to turn them back on. Meanwhile DRL's are fully automatic, no switches, no human error, they're on like em or not, unless you really feel that you have to disable them for whatever reason. Just don't be the one who plows into somebody, at least in this country you'd be up for criminal negligence. Probably some massive lawsuit in the U.S.

DRL's run at a lower output than low beams so it's not the same as the Autolamp. The reason for this is the glare that you complained about. Today I was checking out this supposed glare and it's only a problem if you look right into the headlights. Even then it's not like high beams or anything. I think most people are wise enough not to stare into light sources, but like I said the DRLs are a lower intensity. They should turn the tail lights on automatically with the DRLs also, I totally agree with that and already stated that.

The other thing is that today I was driving about 250 kilometers (about 150 miles) and drove through several snow squalls on the way. Visibility was reduced at times to about 1/2 kilometre. Yet even though I could easily see the oncoming vehicles headlights through the snow for well beyond that. Every once in a while though, some car would come along that wouldn't have any lights on and it would just suddenly appear like a phantom. Meanwhile, I can see headlights coming way behind him plain as day. In a snow squall. In clear weather I could see them far beyond that. The car would just be this little dot, but the headlights would be shining like no tomorrow.

Furthermore, it's exactly these kind of conditions that DRL's pay off. You're driving along in fair weather and suddenly a snow squall or a thunderstorm comes in. It gets real dark really quick and visibility can drop to a few hundred feet at times. How many people are going to instantly think to turn their lights on, maybe 50 % at best. So DRLs or even Autolamps really come in useful in these kind of circumstances, especially if you're on a two lane highway.

Think about it rationally, it's a no-brainer. DRL's are wise and have undoubtedly saved a lot of peoples lives.
Idiots included.

 

Are you just not reading my posts??? I HAVE been in several, and I've NEVER been wearing a belt.

A) That's not true of ALL trucks & SUVs; some are MUCH more stable than SOME cars.
B) That's like saying "a rear view mirror is beneficial when you have a flat". They're not related, just like a SIDE impact beam isn't related to a ROLLOVER.

Again, you're hitting the HEART of the problem, and not seeing it.

Think again. As I've already posted (I think you need glasses), there IS a factory switch that has NO OTHER PURPOSE than to turn DRLs off.

Not true. Those of us with blue eyes are FAR more sensitive to glare than any other eye color. Especially, those with very light blue eyes. Check it out.

So again, you're basically saying every light on the car should be turned on at all times - why have a light switch then?

Right. The 50% who are actually attentive drivers, who obey the law, &/or aren't talking on the cell phone, or screaming at the screaming kids, or doing a line, or staring at the blonde in the rear-view, or... Your snowstorm example is moot - headlights are required already for any precipitation. So DRLs during snow aren't needed. It's already covered, and if you leave them on during snow/rain/fog, you're breaking the law.

 

You know Steve, I've had ridiculous arguments before but this one is taking the cake. I don't think you're reading what I'm writing at all, you seem to have a pre-set and somewhat irrational agenda and no amount of reasoning will alter your opinion.
So, I'm not going to bother anymore.

At least not for now.

 

No people ask for help or an opinion. You did not offer an opinion about his question. That makes it butting into his business. See ask vs. unsolicited offer.

In a sea of headlights, the motorcycles are muted that much more. You must be blind to this from not riding a motorcycle. OR if you do ride, you have no clue what is going on, on the road around you.

People ignore motorcycles in general. and your "pretty sure" is wrong. Same reason you don't use high beams into on coming cars at night. Blinding spots happened during the day as well.
Only a complete jerk drives around with his high beams on with on coming headlamps. Notice the other comment about blue eyes are FAR more sensitive to glare than any other eye color. See only a jerk would do this to another motorist on the road, trying to do a setup for an accident. And I thought this was common knowledge.. Guess not.

Did you read any of what I wrote ? A sea of lights on during the day, the bikes headlamp is washed out. It is no longer the only headlamp on during the day. Think sea of lights, like at night, tell me at 1,000 M you can ID a motorcycle from a car at night, in heavy traffic.

Now take this sea of light, people will get used to them, and start to not pay attention. Once upon a time it was good enough to drive around without headlamps on during the day. Now some how DRLs, traffic fatalities are still increasing. Don't know about you, I see a bunch of crunched Saturns foating around out there. DRLs and all.

How about enforce the laws we have, rather then making more ? Wouldn't want people to actually be responsible would we ? There we go, makes drivers that much dumber by doing more for them.

DRLs are not a law in the US. Plow into someone without DRLs, or with DRLS disabled, doesn't mean a thing in terms of fault in the US. Might want to do a bit of DMV research prior to making such statements.

A solution to what ? The google info I just got, per capital traffic fatalities are up in CAN, just like the US. Good job DRLs are doing.

 

Day time running lights are standard in Canada.


I hate ABS brakes, Day time running light's and air bages, git rid of the crumple zones and put the steal back into the bumpers and educate the drivers on how to think for them selvs instead of catering to thier lazyness and lack of attention.

When was the last time you saw day time running light's, air bags, ect on a NASCAR?

I would feel much safer with a roll cage, four point harness than a navigation system that distracts people from pulling over when safe and reading a road map.

Day time running light's only turn on limited use of the head lights, and not the rear tail lights.

Our cars are now smarter than the average human...

 

COUGH COUGH
Im based in the UK we have a temperate climate I dont recal the last time we had snow or thunder!
It is Easter Sunday at the momment at it is tipping 60 degrees and the sun is cracking the flags!
Cars from Sweden and Canada have stay on lights due to adverse weather
My vehicle has automatic headlights which work fine apart from tunnels so your points about DRL's are not valid since the tail lights dont come on with them but with automatic lights they do and just when needed
Motorbikes get hit since they have there full beams on so give a wrong perspective of speed and distance due to glare
My F-150 is massive compared to all the other little boxes I drive around so the glare has been a problem for me hence why I want to disconnect it
Safety!!!
Al the stuff about ABS, seatbelts etc is a bit stupid they are all for safety and should be used at all times (which I do) ABS as prevented me from a couple of potential slams!

 

Before you start in UK it does not rain all the time and when it does it is mostly caused by America! (gulf stream)
so its your fault are country is the garden of the world
We also dont have much snow during the winter again because of the Gulf stream damn Americans and their Gulf stream making my country green and plush tish!

 

personaly i love the lights comming on anytime, as i believe it is safer.
but this is the first vehicle ive had that the daytime running lamps can be turned off in the switch.
ive choosen not to use them because as someone said before the tail lights dont light, and i have forgotten to turn my lights on at night.

all other cars i have well prob "bios" cause their both gm a caddi and a malibu the tail lights come on when its dark.

i think if were going to have daytime running lights the tail lights should come on at night also.

 

Well, actually I did offer an opinion, but you're obviously too dense to acknowledge that, and obviously only because you don't agree with it, so you can't even be objective in your observations.
Also, I think it would be up to the OP to determine if I'm butting into his business, not some opinionated, knee jerk reactionary, 3rd party member. He hasn't said anything, so it would seem that you're the one who's being the busybody.

No, I don't think motorcycles are any less visible because other vehicles have their lights on, Otherwise what's the difference between lights on at night or during the day, do motorcycles get washed out at night because everyone has their lights on at that time. No! So what's the difference during the day. The point is that having the lights on, no matter when, makes any vehicle more visible. You seem to be stating that people will ignore a headlight because they're too used to seeing them. That's ridiculous. If you see a light, you immediately know it's a vehicle, so you exercise caution regardless if it's a motorcycle, transport truck, car or even a bicycle. That's what lights on in the day are for, to increase visibility. It doesn't make people oblivious to motorcycles at all. Sorry, don't buy it at all.

Ok, this is just ridiculous. First, there aren't enough cops on the road to do this. THey'd spend all their time stopping people for not turning there lights on, pulling them over, thus creating more traffic hazards. Have you ever noticed how many idiots don't turn their lights on when it gets dark? DRLs or autolamps eliminate this problem, period. The road is a safer place, the police can attend to more important things and everyone gets home safely.

Oh, I'm pretty sure you'd find a few lawyers who'd be willing to take on a case where someone intentionally disabled a safety feature and they'd probably make a pretty good case for it. Have you ever read how some of the most ridiculous lawsuits go to the plaintiff, happens every day. Welcome to the wonderful world of litigation, my friend. And good luck, you'll need it against some of these lawyers.

It is a solution, plain and simple. The reason there are more fatalities is because there are a lot more vehicles on the road these days. The population is growing and becoming more affluent, so they're buying more vehicles. Used to be there'd be one car for a family, now there's a car for every member who can drive, sometimes more than one. We live in an era of excess and the automobile is the most visible sign of that. So, more cars, more accidents.
The studies I linked to showed pretty conclusively that DRL's help to reduce accidents. My first hand observation is that it's obvious that vehicles are a lot more visible with DRLs on. Did you read my posts at all.
Like I said, it's really a no brainer.
The upshot of that is ...

 

Good idea stucandu, and some very good points on the benefits of DRL's!

 

"You did not offer an opinion about his question"

That is weak man! This is a "public" forum after all, lighten up!

Thats what makes it interesting, different viewpoints and opinions, you know food for thought, etc, etc.

 

Perhaps, but the UK is well known for its fog and rain, so the conditions are bad enough.
The thing is that DRL's are not just for those occasions, they're effective in making vehicles much more visible under nearly all lighting conditions, and they're certainly more effective than no lights at all. That is a given, and I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Did you read the COMPLETE thread ?

That is what he did. Made a comment about Grandthroblord's turning off HIS DRL's on HIS truck, when it was not a law.

Weak that I pointed out that stucandu's statement filling this criteria ?

Maybe when you asked about powering aux items, I should have pointed out that you should just lean over and turn off the power button yourself, rather then modifying your truck from the way it came from the factory, as the standard power points were not designed to work that way ?

How helpful or wanted would that have been to you ? Not very much would be my thought.
That is what I would call some bizzy body ******* sticking there nose in your business.

Now that you point out that is "weak" and to make it " interesting", maybe that should be the reply to your next question, when you ask how to change YOUR truck, to work the way YOU want it to, without violating any laws.

Still sound weak ?

 

I cant remember the last time we had fog!
BUT
I have auto lights which amazingly come on automatically!
The DRL is strange as it does not light the tail lights which in my opinion is just as important as the front!
The problem with bright lights on during the day is the dazzle does effect peoples perspective of distance and speed thats why motorbikes have a lot of problems with cars pulling out on them This was proven by a magazine in this country called Motorcycle News dipped is ok but not main or full beam
BUT STILL I have auto lights which in adverse light situations turns on my lights (all of them)
I think DRL miss the point with only lighting the front!