Mike,
I went to my local speed shop and they totally dogged your product. They said that the superchip is a second rate knockoff and pushed the Jet chip. What's up with this? Is anyone in this forum running with the Jet modual?

They also didn't like the Transgo shift kit (also second rate) and recommended the B&M kit. Is anyone using the B&M out there that cares to comment on this? What is the difference between the two?

All comments welcome, please help me make up my mind.

 

How much experiance does your local speed shop have with the Superchip?
Second rate knock off? Superchips practiclly started powertrain programming. I think if you were to look at the history of the two companies (Superchips and Jet) you would see who is the second rate knock off.
I have seen a few here who have used the Jet chip. There are a few who still do. As far as these boards are concerned, I think people who have tried both went with the Superchip.
What information do they need to get you a Jet chip? Make, model and year? Do they ask for the computer code? I don't believe that the Jet chip is code specific. This would mean that they use a generic program. I don't know about you but I prefer the chip who's program is code specific.
There are many discussions about who has the best chip. I don't think Jet ranks all that high.
Perhaps your local speed shop knows something that the many members of this board doesn't. Or maybe they only offer the Jet so they bad mouth the others to make a sale.
I have been quite pleased with the Superchip. The program I am running now, for the supercharger is awsome. I can't imagine not using a Superchip!
What ever you decide to use, let us know what you think.

Good luck!
Tom

 

I did go to the Jet home page and they have a projected HP increase of 17 to 19 and did not give torque numbers or actual dyno results. As per my phone conversation with Mike on Friday the superchip should give 23 HP and 30+ torque.

My experience is to go with the one that has actual results and more satisfied customers.

Any more comments on either chips or trans. mods out there?

 

i remember looking at this when i bought a chip. i remember that the jet chip only worked during WOT, not throughout the powerband like the superchip. and only a few people ran the jet and i believe most changed. still a few though that have kept it. btw- i got the superchip

 

I've had several chips...the first was the Jet chip... engine was dynoed without it and with it... It did NOT do much at all.
Next was the Kenne Bell chip when I had the Kenne Bell supercharger put on....it was conservative....but the dynoed results were 3 times better than the jet....
I am currently running a JDM programmed flipchip superchip...
What a world of difference.....big time positive difference.
For me...the first letter of Jet is J...as in junk

As far as trannys...i dont use a kit..but i just had my tranny bulletproofed by Level 10 performance....i love da chirps in the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts.

 

Hi kpaton,

"Forgive them, for they know not what they do." At least, that's how I remember that quote.

Perhaps the people you're dealing with out there simply don't know the differences between the various products. Superchips invented the power chip concept, and basically started this industry of aftermarket performance programming/tuning of computer controlled vehicles. They've done that work directly for many of the worlds major automakers as well, giving them vast experience and resources no other chipmaker has.

In all the years of F-150 Online (to say nothing of all the years of serving our customers before F-150 Online existed), there has not once been a single person who has actually tried both the Jet chip and the Superchip on the same vehicle and preferred the Jet chip. Not one. Every time that has been done, the Superchip was the clear winner, hands down. The Superchip makes more peak power, and it makes more power *all* the time.

That's not to say that there are not happy Jet chip owners out there, sure there are. Some people have a Jet chip and are happy with it, and so have never tried the Superchip in the same vehicle for a direct comparison.

Jet is "generic," like Hypertech and most other chipmakers, meaning there is only 1 program that is compromised to run on similar vehicles, I.E., only 1 program for all 2001 5.4 automatic F-150's, for example, or say, 1 program for all 1998 4.6 5-speeds, etc. Also, they only tune during closed-loop operation, which is only at extremely heavy to full throttle. These 2 important facts add up to smaller power gains, and even those only under certain conditions.

The Superchip, on the other hand, is programmed for *your* specific vehicle, to precisely match the exact software revision in your powertrain computer. The Superchip also tunes the engine for maximum horsepower and torque *all* the time, so it's always working, at any throttle position, at any rpm. The end result is, the Superchip makes more power and has better driveability, as it's made specifically for *your* vehicle.

Many shops simply don't know that much about powertrain programming, and thus don't know that there really is a difference between the various chipmakers. To many shops, it's just one part out thousands of parts they have to sell for a living, and they really don't put any real effort or work into knowing much about powertrain programming; it might as well be a fuel filter to them. That doesn't make them bad people, it just means they do not have detailed knowledge of this specific field.

As F-150 performance specialists, powertrain programming products & services are our core competency and all we did for the better part odf a decade, so we know exactly what all the other chipmakers are doing, and we know how and why the Superchip is superior.

I wouldn't waste time arguing your point of view with this shop you're talking to, you aren't going to change their mind. It's *your* mind that counts, it's your vehicle and it's *you* that has to be happy with your decision, what they think is irrelevant.

I'll put it to you this way..........it boils down to one simple thing.............we don't care what the name is on the outside, we care about the results *inside*. If some other manufacturer could produce powertrain programs that were superior to Superchips, then we would be selling *their* products instead. Nobody does a better job that Superchips in this industry, and that is why we sell, recommend and use only Superchips.

As you can see here among the people who are using chips, most of them are using the Superchip, and are very happy with it.

In the end, it all boils down to you making a decision. Don't let anyone make that decision for you, not that shop, and not us. You do what *you* think is right for you, that's the bottom line, and all any of us can really do. In your case, you're in a pretty good position, as you have access to F-150 Online, a great resource chock-full of facts & people who have posted their results and how they feel about the product. That's a big help and a great resource to have on your side.

On the shfit kits, if this were a GM vehicle, I might consider the B&M shift kit, their GM applications have traditionally been pretty decent, but we don't use B&M shift kits for Mopar or Ford automatics. If you have the 4R70W automaitc, the Transgo kit will do a fine job and there are many happy 4R70W automatic owners using that kit. The Bauman Engineering kit can do a nice job as well. Transgo would be my pick long before B&M in a Ford 4R70W automatic transmission. If you have the larger 4R100, Transgo is still an excellent choice, and there are a couple others as well, but I'd still probably take the Transgo route.

However, I would suggest that *before* you buy any shift kit, wait until you have had the Superchip in your vehicle for about 3-4 weeks before deciding that you also want to do a shift kit in addition. For many people, the Superchip's improvements to the slow & sloppy shifting alone is enough. It really depends on just how hard you want your shifts to be; if you want shifts that are hard enough to chirp the tires on the 1-2 upshift at heavy throttle consistently, then that is best and most safely accomplished with the use of both the Superchip and the Transgo shift kit, so you have both program and mechanical issues taken care of.

If you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, our contact info is below, just give us a call & we'll be happy to cover all of this with you.

Good luck!

 

Mike and to all those that responded thanks for the information. I was convinced that I would be going with the Superchip before and after my visit to the speed shop but just needed that little extra confidence in my decision so I posted my experience on line.

Mike you should be receiving my order soon.