5Star Tunning, Mike
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12-18-2012, 01:54 PM
I am not making any reference to any of the mentioned tuners, but be very carefull who you select to purchase and tune from as many of these geniuses have really caused alot of damage and are unregulated by state & federal agencies since they are not repair facilities, etc. Read the posts at flatratetech.com from the MSE techs or as an example this. of one of the most notible "Tuners".................
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
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12-18-2012, 02:04 PM
I am not making any reference to any of the mentioned tuners, but be very carefull who you select to purchase and tune from as many of these geniuses have really caused alot of damage and are unregulated by state & federal agencies since they are not repair facilities, etc. Read the posts at flatratetech.com from the MSE techs or as an example this. of one of the most notible "Tuners".................
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
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You lost me on this one....again. The very shop you used as an example of failure is the type shop you say we should use. Plus, it's obvious you really have no understanding what all goes into an email tune. All of the things you mention are considered. I will take an email tune from any of the reputable tuners over a local that may or may not have much experience with tuning a truck.
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12-18-2012, 04:13 PM
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I am not making any reference to any of the mentioned tuners, but be very carefull who you select to purchase and tune from as many of these geniuses have really caused alot of damage and are unregulated by state & federal agencies since they are not repair facilities, etc. Read the posts at flatratetech.com from the MSE techs or as an example this. of one of the most notible "Tuners".................
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. It can be fixed. Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost"
If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.and to claim on a normally apsirated engine to market huge HP/TQ gains, well, and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases.
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck and they are regulated businesses!
Yes you need to be careful when installing anything on your truck or car. However, this seems like an odd place to respond to a post that basically says "I bought something, and I can't wait to use it.". Maybe we should just use your post to respond to anyone that wants to, or has modded their truck.
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12-18-2012, 07:48 PM
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12-19-2012, 08:48 AM
With all the tuned vehicles on this site, mostly from four different email tuners, I think we would have heard if they were causing engine failure. Not the case at all. Keep in mind that these guys sending out email tunes have dynos and do "in shop" tuning as well. They aren't just computer nerds sending out computer files.
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12-21-2012, 12:32 PM
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When I bought my 12 FX4 5.0 I swore I wouldn't tune it. Well that didn't last long. I read and read and sifted through all the crap posts. "Mike is the best", "VMP is the best" blah blah...
When someone says "the best" it implies they have tried and used ALL the available tunes/tuners. So I eliminated those posts. They just seem to be there to justify the buyer's decision.
OK, enough pissin n moanin. I chose 5star. I basically came down to eenie, meenie, minie, mo...but there was one common denominator...Mike is quick and helpful. I gave him the business and he met those expectations. Tuner shipped quick and the tunes made me happy.
Recently changed my tire size. Plugged in the tuner to adjust the revs per mile only to find it locked. Sent Mike an email about how I should go about it, it was about an hour later I had three updated tunes in my inbox. That was beyond my expectation.
This is not to condone/condemn beechkid's posts...however when the xxxx company drum gets beat all the time it sets an expectation, it also gets 'some' people sick of hearing the same thing over and over. (Earnhardt, Gordon, Johnson getting booed is similar). Sometimes people set that expectation too far out of reach which results in a bad experience, then the user feels compelled to tell that story. That said, there's not much negative about 5 star. In fact, there's not much negative about any of the major players.
just my .02, I'm satisfied with my tunes and service.
When someone says "the best" it implies they have tried and used ALL the available tunes/tuners. So I eliminated those posts. They just seem to be there to justify the buyer's decision.
OK, enough pissin n moanin. I chose 5star. I basically came down to eenie, meenie, minie, mo...but there was one common denominator...Mike is quick and helpful. I gave him the business and he met those expectations. Tuner shipped quick and the tunes made me happy.
Recently changed my tire size. Plugged in the tuner to adjust the revs per mile only to find it locked. Sent Mike an email about how I should go about it, it was about an hour later I had three updated tunes in my inbox. That was beyond my expectation.
This is not to condone/condemn beechkid's posts...however when the xxxx company drum gets beat all the time it sets an expectation, it also gets 'some' people sick of hearing the same thing over and over. (Earnhardt, Gordon, Johnson getting booed is similar). Sometimes people set that expectation too far out of reach which results in a bad experience, then the user feels compelled to tell that story. That said, there's not much negative about 5 star. In fact, there's not much negative about any of the major players.
just my .02, I'm satisfied with my tunes and service.
