tuner for 2012 ecoboost
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I am NOT going to make any statements regarding anyone else's tuners, but this is absolutely not the case with our products.
When you say 'most recent flash', are you referring to the strategy or calid?
If so, how would a tune affect that?
If you are using a tuner that changes your calid when you flash your vehicle, you are asking for trouble. The right way to do things is to read the stock tune out of the vehicle, apply the changes to that stock file, and write it back. This way, only calibration data has changed, and there is NOTHING a dealership can see that would prove it had been tuned. If the stock tune was not restored, they'd have to read the PCM out with some tool (that dealers do not have) then send that read off to Dearborn to be compared in HEX to a known stock file, to see if there are any changes present.
If the truck had been previously returned to stock, there is NO way for anyone to tell it had been tuned. Period.
Again, I strongly disagree with what you are saying here. if this were the case, we'd have many customers with warranty issues after using our tuners, and that is simply not the case.
Also, why do you assume that a programmer is failing a log in? It sounds like you guys might be using some hackish tuners. Might be a good idea to look into how our tools work, and not throw the blanket statement out there that tuners will cause warranty issues, especially if you haven't spent any time on this side of the fence dealing with the actual PCMs.
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Where does this info come from?
When you say 'most recent flash', are you referring to the strategy or calid?
If so, how would a tune affect that?
If you are using a tuner that changes your calid when you flash your vehicle, you are asking for trouble. The right way to do things is to read the stock tune out of the vehicle, apply the changes to that stock file, and write it back. This way, only calibration data has changed, and there is NOTHING a dealership can see that would prove it had been tuned. If the stock tune was not restored, they'd have to read the PCM out with some tool (that dealers do not have) then send that read off to Dearborn to be compared in HEX to a known stock file, to see if there are any changes present.
If the truck had been previously returned to stock, there is NO way for anyone to tell it had been tuned. Period.
Again, I strongly disagree with what you are saying here. if this were the case, we'd have many customers with warranty issues after using our tuners, and that is simply not the case.
Also, why do you assume that a programmer is failing a log in? It sounds like you guys might be using some hackish tuners. Might be a good idea to look into how our tools work, and not throw the blanket statement out there that tuners will cause warranty issues, especially if you haven't spent any time on this side of the fence dealing with the actual PCMs.
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Where does this info come from?
Of course ford is going to use a scare tactic to stop people from doing anything to their trucks. Doesn't mean it's true though.
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2. No way, there is no stopping dealers from bending people over and taking advantage of them in many cases, and we cannot be held responsible for that.
It might interest you to know that the owner of our company, Mike Wesley, was the first person to ever offer flash tuning for any Ford, ever. (Autologic)
In fact, if it weren't for him, and his pioneering efforts, and him getting sued by Ford and winning, this industry would not likely exist in this magnitude today.
We had grown from there in a big way, and consider ourselves among the leaders in the late model tuning industry, and we make sure that anything we develop and put out in the field is as solid as it can be.
I wasn't trying to turn this into an argument, but rather to inform you guys of some things that it seems are often misinterpreted.
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2. No way, there is no stopping dealers from bending people over and taking advantage of them in many cases, and we cannot be held responsible for that.
Sure would give prospective (and current) Diablo owners both insurance and piece of mind.
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Well it seems to me that if your units are truly untraceable Diablo has very little to worry about. After all, even when Ford denies the claim it won't be because the PCM and/or TCM was flashed. If it was then Diablo could step in and call Ford's bluff.
Sure would give prospective (and current) Diablo owners both insurance and piece of mind.
Sure would give prospective (and current) Diablo owners both insurance and piece of mind.
The Magnusson-Moss act clearly states that a warranty cannot be denied simply because the vehicle has been modified. If they somehow determine that your truck was flashed, and decide to blindly cancel your warranty as a result, the law is on your side. Congress has more power than us
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Thats where the law steps in.
The Magnusson-Moss act clearly states that a warranty cannot be denied simply because the vehicle has been modified. If they somehow determine that your truck was flashed, and decide to blindly cancel your warranty as a result, the law is on your side. Congress has more power than us
The Magnusson-Moss act clearly states that a warranty cannot be denied simply because the vehicle has been modified. If they somehow determine that your truck was flashed, and decide to blindly cancel your warranty as a result, the law is on your side. Congress has more power than us
Actually, I really don't blame Ford as most of the tuned, modded engines have probably been abused. However, not in the case of someone like me. Had they not left so much on the table with the tuning of the 2005, I would never have needed a tuner. I have no desire to tune my 5.0 as it runs strong from the factory.
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They didn;t like what he was doing, and he was confident that it was perfectly legal.
They told him to stop and he said no.
They (and their teams of lawyers) sued him. A guy making software in his basement. He not only won, but Ford had to pay his legal fees. I'm not proposing anyone get into a legal fight with an OEM, but if it comes to that, the law is on your side.
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Not to go off topic, but I believe that I've read somewhere that superchips were the first to start "messing" with PCM's? As far as brand names go, superchips was the only name I'd heard before I joined this site
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On the topic of firsts, we were the First company to ever offer a tuner for the new at the time Ford OAK PCMs, which means we have been doing 04+ F150 and 05+ Mustang longer than anyone else in the industry.
We were also the first (and still the only) to offer custom tuning to the HEMI crowd and to offer a tuner for the SRT8 applications.
We were first to tune the new at the time GM E40 PCM and to offer custom tuning software for any GM CAN based applications.
There are more, but you get the point I'm sure
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Bottom line is, there was some misinformation being posted here. I made the mistake of attempting to clarify it, and some how I am the bad guy, its all good, just another day on the internetz for me
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Not trying to beat a dead dog here, but maybe the reason its the only one I had ever heard of is because it was the most popular? I have never remotely thought about shopping for anything of this nature, until now. I had just overheard/ been told that friends had put a "superchip" in their car. Had someone asked me a month ago which was the oldest programmer, and had given me a list of all that were available, I would've said superchips. But that would just been me, the average ignorant consumer. To each his own I guess...
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Wow! Just because you were proven wrong you shouldn't . No company is going to get into a lawsuit for you and spend thousands on your behalf. Gotta pay to play.
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I can't believe the utter disregard for someones specialty professional knowledge you guys are showing. I do understand tune writers do have a large amount of stock in putting out a product that we will want to feel warm and fuzzy about installing and still keeping our warranty. Bully Dog was the first to market with a tune for the EB and it was utter crap. I haven't seen them on here trying to correct their junk tune reputation. If he says their tune is non detectable, why would you argue so fiercely that he is lying? Because you spent 5 minutes with the price gouging service manager at your local dealership and he said so? So rather than rushing to be the first, Diablo is taking time to do things the correct way while trying to inform us of what his tune can do. All the while BD produced crap and never once stepped up to defend their junk, yet you go this far to say Diablo is full of . I look forward to a sweet Diablo tune for my EB!
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Agreed ^^^ thanks for the info Mike, people can take it however they want it. Maybe not all programmers/chips are untraceable, but good to know Diablo sport can stand behind their products
As someone running a custom predator tune, this was good to hear.
As someone running a custom predator tune, this was good to hear.
