I am looking to add chips to my trucks and am seeking any advice.
1. 2000 F-150 Harley used mostly to have fun in(my truck)
2. 2000 F-150 4x4 to be used when off roading(her truck)
3. 2001 F-250 4x4 diesel used to tow our 25' boat abour 25 miles each way to the lake(our truck)

I just ordered a 2002 Buell X-1W White Lightning for the wife and a 2002 VRSC V-Rod for me and a custom trailor with the Harley wheels on it that the F-150 Harley will be used to tow this with the two bikes from time to time

Also there is a Ford dealer that sells Diblo???(wrong spelling) chips , should i buy this since the dealer said they would have no warrenty issues.

 

Hi navyman,

Welcome to F-150 Online!

In our humble opinion, the best powertrain programs available are in the Superchip, they've been tuning these vehicles for far longer than any other chipmaker. If someone else had something clearly superior, we'd be marketing it instead, is another way to put it.

Superchips is also the only company that makes each chip for each individual vehicle's exact software revision loaded into it's powertrain computer from the factory, tunes on all throttle positions instead of only on full-throttle and is still 50-state emissions certified on all those applications.

Superchips invented this entire industry of aftermarket performance powertrain programming back in 1983, and simply has more experience & sheer raw R&D engineered into their applications than any other chipmaker, by a wide margin.

Specifically, we're not only making as much if not more *safe* power in these vehicles than anyone else, but we're also well ahead in terms of the thoroughness and overall quality of driveability and the automatic transmission tuning/programming, addressing issues that other chipmakers do not.

The Superchip will not void your warranty either, it doesn't matter what name is on the chip in that regard, it matters what the product actually does to your vehicle, just so you'll know.

If you'd like to go over this in more detail, and get a good overview of the whole market, who has what strengths, etc., we'll be happy to go over all of that with you, so you can give it some thought.

Also, I notice that you are in Alabama, so I thought I'd let you know that we are having the Second Annual F-150 Online Rally in Norfolk, Virginia the last weekend of this month, so if you'd like to come up and meet us and have fun over any or all of the 3 days of events we've scheduled, I'm sure you'd love it. You can register by clicking on the icon at the top right of your screen that says "Rally" on it.

Hope to speak with you soon,

 

If I may...

Mike mentioned that... "Superchips is also the only company that makes each chip for each individual vehicle's exact software revision loaded into it's powertrain computer from the factory and tunes on all throttle positions instead of only on full-throttle". Not true. There are other companies that do this also.

If navyman is to make a educated and informed decision on his purchase, certainly he should know the truth about what's available.

 

navyman,
i guess the military is paying pretty good these days, huh? good luck with your trucks..lol, Rich

 

Yes, DIABLO Chip, for one, tunes "in increments" ... not just WOT. Also, I called JET Chip, when Mike said that JET tuned **only** at WOT ... and their Tech said "Wrong, because we tune for the entire power band." BTW, when I asked Mike to explain *why* my Hypertech would "ping" at PART throtlle, on low octane fuel, when he claimed the "WOT tuning", then how could it be tuned for WOT **only**? I was hoping that he would clarify the confusion, because his "sales pitch" was one of the main reasons that I bought the Superchip. It was never made clear *if* "tuning only at WOT" meant you *only* get the use of the chip at WOT, or if they take their "data" from the WOT "data" ... and dump that data onto the chip. IMO, Superchip *is* a good product, but when you take statements and relay them to the other Chip makers, and they say Mike's statements are "wrong" or "not entirely true", then it leaves the customer still wondering which chip to buy. That being said, and using my own experience, not sales pitches, I would rate JET lowest, Hypertech better ... and Superchip slightly better than Hypertech.

I mentioned the Diablo chip for a reason, I've ordered one ... and I'm curious to see how it compares to the other performance chips.

 

I did try the Diablo, I liked the Superchip better, you can serch here for my response. I don't know, maybe Mike will, are the others that say they tune throughout the RPM range 50 state legal? Diablo wasn't.

 

fastsvtss,

You have rather conveniently edited what I actually said and as a result, completely misrepresented what I said.

If you will go back and read what I actually wrote, I said that Superchips is the only company tuning at all throttle positions and is still 50-state emissions certified, for each and every one of their FoMoCo applications. (custom programs excluded, of course)

What you did was delete a rather important and substantial section of what I said, you edited that sentence, and then used your edited version to infer that *we're* somehow not being truthful.

I did get a good chuckle from it though, so I guess the gentleman in me should thank you for the laugh. It reminded me of something I would expect to see from Homer on "The Simpsons".

Just so we're clear, I never said that Diablo doesn't tune on part-throttle, I know very well what they're doing in that regard. But last I heard, they don't have CARB EO (50-state emissions certification) for all of those applications. If you're going to argue with that, it;s very easily proven by you providing us with their C.A.R.B. EO# for all of their FoMoCo applications, and we'll be more than happy to verify that right away.

I wish you well,

 

Well, I'm glad you finally cleared that up ... with your "and is" Mike. I know that I've asked you many times to please explain why you say others only tune at WOT, because from the way you sounded, it appeared that you were sying that Superchip tunes at all throttle positions and all other chip makers tune at WOT only; I missed the "and is" ... if you happened to include the "and is" in your other postings. I'm sure that I wasn't the only one to think you were saying that all others tune *only* at WOT.

Anyway, thanks again for clearing that up.

 

Hope this doesn't offend you Mike, but it appears that you too "conveniently edited" your own post, because you left off the "Instead of only on full throttle" part.

Quote:

If you will go back and read what I actually wrote, I said that Superchips is the only company tuning at all throttle positions and is still 50-state emissions certified,

What you did was delete a rather important and substantial section of what I said, you edited that sentence, and then used your edited version to infer that *we're* somehow not being truthful.

Well you did say (and then edited out of your last reply) "Instead of only on full throttle" ... and that "only on" still sounds like you're saying that all other chips are tuned only at WOT.

I know that you cleared that part up, though ... thanks.

Take care.

 

Hi Buffalo Zone,

That is something you will find in just about all of my posts where I make such a statement, that we're the only ones that tune at all throttle positions and are still 50-state emissions certified.

It's quite clear for everyone to see how my statement is worded, and how it was then edited to delete the rest of that sentence in those subsequent quotes. My statement was edited, and that sentence shortened & cut off and a period inserted, deleting the rest of the sentence completely.

By the way, I don't think it really matters that I didn't say "instead of full-throttle" in my follow-up post that pointed out his editing of my statement, I think the operative is quite clear for anyone reading & following all these posts, there is no ambiguity there, nor was there any intended of course.

Thanks for your response Buffalo Zone, I appreciate it!

 

navyman,

I don't think you will like my answer but here goes anyway. The only way you will be 100% sure which chip is the best is to try every one or ask enough people who have tried at least two to be able to compare all the different brands. Back in early 1997 the only chip available for my truck was JET. It did not remove the speed limiter nor did it increase the revlimiter. In those days I was corresponding with Mike Troyer via the trucks Forums of Compuserve. When Superchips finally released a chip for my truck I ordered one through Mike. It was night and day. The Superchips removed the speed limiter and I had the rev limit bumped up to 6500 rpm. The mid-range performance was also better. I have been using Superchips ever since and have not bothered to ask about the others. I have one in my 2000 and when I get my next truck in 2002 it will be one of the first mods I do. So I can tell you first hand that Jet is not as good as Superchips. BTW my Jet chip calibrated for a 1997 works in my 2000. How is that for one size fits all?

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

 

Hello, well, you touch on al the chips but how do they compare to the power programer III from hypertech??

 

But that's not what you said. Actually, what you said was "Instead of only on full throttle"

Don't guess it really matters, but it's the "only on" ... or your previous numerous "only at" comments, that tends to make potential customers think that Superchip is the "only" chip maker that doesn't tune "only at WOT." I know that I wasn't the only one that didn't understand your statements on WOT.

But again, thanks for clearing up the WOT myth.

Take care...

 

From JET's Tuning Introduction:


"The programming changes to each JET chip are extensive and include modified spark advance tables, air fuel ratio modification, torque converter lockup (in automatics), shift improvement in electronic automatic transmission and various other parameters to optimize the torque and horsepower curve for each individual application. Chassis Dynamometer tuning allows JET to develop a specific program for each application.
Every vehicle is first tested in a stock configuration to get baseline dynamometer and track times. To do this the vehicle is connected to JET's custom data acquisition system to monitor various sensors. Engine temperature, spark advance and air/fuel ratios, all this data is then recorded and stored away for later comparison.
From there we start to modify the spark advance and fuel curve in 500 rpm increments until we achieve the maximum torque and horsepower at the drive wheels in each rpm and load range, this allows turning under all types of various driving conditions and not just wide open throttle, a decisive advantage to the JET chip!"



From JET's FAQ's:

IS JET Performance Power Tuning emissions legal?

"Yes. All JET Performance Power Tuning products are 50 state emissions legal. They do not change the emissions at all from the stock tuning chip for any Federal or local emissions test. C.A.R.B. (California Air Resources Board) has issued Executive Order numbers D-234 through D-234-4 covering all JET Performance Power Chips, making JET Performance chips the most complete line of high-performance chips that can legally be sold, installed, and driven in the state of California. Because of C.A.R.B.'s very rigid rules concerning exhaust emissions, the Environmental Protection Agency ( E.P.A. ) accepts C.A.R.B. approval as evidence that an aftermarket part is clean and suitable for use in all other states."

 

I just checked the JET web site; http://www.jetchip.com and yes what you quoted is all true, I never doubted that. One strange thing is that the PN for all the auto 4.6 2000-2001 F150s is the same PN80006 , and the PN for the 4.6 manual is all the same, PN 80005. If youi look at the 5.4 F-150 it is PN 80013 for all 2000-2001 models. What does that tell you? Jet only tests one model of each and puts out a chip that will run all the different computer codes. Average performance across the board. Superchips test and tunes each code. So buy the one you want. I have both. One that runs a 1997 4.6 manual and a 2000 4.6 manual, the same Jet chip BTW and a Superchips that will only run trucks with my unique computer code.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier