I have been waiting over a year and a half for the PHP / Edge tuner and am ready to throw in the towel. I have a couple of questions on VMP's SCT XCAL3, which seems to be the best alternative if the gauges aren't needed.

1. I haven't seen any dyno charts for a tuned 2009 or 2010 F150 since PHP published their graphs 20 months ago. Is there any dyno info for a stock '09 or '10 5.4 tuned with a VMP (or troyer or PHP) since the tuners were released (not the beta from 01/09)?

2. On VMP's page, the example of what is supported via "on device adjustments" only shows gear shifts for a 5 speed transmission. Is the 6 speed REALLY fully supported? Can I adjust the 5-6 shift speed / pressure? I know that the web may just show a sample for an older version - it would be nice if someone with one on an '09 or '10 can publish what they can adjust.

3. Anyone have info on how it affected their performance and mileage? I have seen posts saying that the truck "runs like it should" and the like, but would like some numbers like my 0-60 went from this to that, my mileage went from this to that, etc.

Thank you very much for any information that you can provide!

 

I can't answer any of your questions but I traded a few emails with VMP before I bought my SCT Xcal3 and he said there wasn't a ton more horsepower to be found but the tranny shifting and throttle response were greatly improved. I guess that's pretty much what you've already read in other posts.

 

I am also concerned that "improved throttle response" may just mean that they adjust the gas pedal curve to give more throttle with less gas pedal - no real improvement, just the perception of more power. Does anyone know if this is the case?

 

Mike Butler, 5Star tuning:

 

ive gotten vmp custom tunes installed in my 10 f150 the trans has no adjustments it does drive alot better and the throttle responce is better and trans shifts is greatly improved but they also told me there isnt as much power unleased on the 09-10 due to ford programmed these a little more aggressive than the 04-08 hope this helps(but may be this way on the adjustments cause its a custom tune)

 

your post can be read in a deceiving way, at least to me.

You say the trans has no adjustments. This may be true to the end user, but the custom tune by VMP modifies the trans program. So the trans is definitely adjusted by the tuner, but as the end user you may not be able to fiddle with it. This in itself may not be a bad thing, depending on how complex the programming is, some things are best left to the professionals.

 

you are right the trans is reprogrammed as the end user i have no other adjustments i can make

 

If I may add some historical perspective - back when the Xcal2 came ou there were some teething issues with respect to the then-new end-user adjustment functionality, and the granular ability to show/hide/limit each available parameter by the tuner feller.

It required version upgrades to the dealer's Advantage tuning software, AND firmware upgrades for the handheld to get it all working.

This could simply be a product maturity issue with the intro of the 'new' PCM/TCM platform support as well as a conscious decision to obfuscate the adjustments for now, as you stated.

Just a SWAG

MGD

 

The PHP dyno charts released in 01/09 showed over 15% - 20% more torque (and HP) from 2500 RPM - 4500RPM (see http://forum.gopowerhungry.com/2009-...o-results.html). Perhaps the reason that there aren't any dyno charts available for a programmed '09 - '10 is that they don't look as good as the one referenced above. Any thoughts? Even better, any dyno charts for a programmed '09 - '10 5.4?

In the absence of a dyno graph, does anyone have a before and after 0-60 or 1/4 mile time? Data on MPG changes would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks!

 

Those dyno charts show the gains AS A RESULT OF PROGRAMMING (Edge/Gryphon).

There is also one chart showing the 'Gotts mod' with a towing tune.

 

shotgunz,

I know that they showed the results as a result of programming, but jhunt47 said that tunes don't add much power according to VMP. I am trying to figure out if the significant power increases shown with early PHP dyno run were realized with the programmers that are now available.

It sounds like a programmer may not be that beneficial for the '09 - '10. Without a dyno chart from a RELEASED programmer, not the first run beta test, and without anyone stating that they had any benefit in their gas mileage, it is hard to justify. Better throttle response is nice, but I not $400 nice. (I think the transmission shifts just fine.)

 

on getting some new dyno sheets. I'd like to have them before I spend $400-600. Hopefully when Edge releases them they will also post dyno sheets (they'd be stupid not to). I'm a little surprised VMP hasn't posted anything on their site.

I just realized we may be 'discussing' the meaning of 'add much power'.

As far as MPG improvements, I would never purchase any mod specifically to save gas. Too much of a crap shoot. Changing driving habits and proper maintenance are a lot less expensive and more reliable ways to improve MPG.

 

there is a noticable difference in the truck but not as much in as the 04-08 superchips have some post for there programmers if you have to have the specs but i could not find any dyno sheets so really no help from them either i drive mostly highway speeds to and from work with air on and average 18.5 thats with 90% highway at speeds from 60-70 if that helps truck is crewcab 5.4 fx4 with 373

 

what was your gas mileage before you got the programmer?

 

dont really remember