Wow...

I'm sure his tunes are good, but not that good to wait THAT long.

You are talking 3-4 months!

 

Then times that by 2! No seriously when they tell you 12-15 weeks add another 12-15 weeks and times that x 2 and add 4 more weeks. You should be pretty close by then.
I really hate to see people going throught this with anyone for that matter.

 

I think if I wanted a Troyer tune, I'd make an appointment and go to his shop. Of course, that's going to make the end cost skyrocket - gas, hotels, etc.

 

So I'm looking at VMP's website, I see this page :

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index...=165&parent=66

Is this the right place to order a tune? It doesn't seem like there's a lot of information. I assume the vehicle make/model is figured out from the strategy code? Anything else, like larger tires, would go in the mods line?

 

Any questions you have about VMP, email Justin.

 

Basically, you can supplement any information you need to provide him in an e-mail. Once you pull the trigger on ordering a tune, use your order number to provide any additional information you want to communicate. But, the box code is the significant information you need to communicate as far as the strategy needed. Any given box code might be used for more than one model year. The programmer has provision to change tire size. If you have your revolution per mile data for the tire, you could provide it to him, or change the user adjustment for the change in tire diameter.

 

I went to Mikes shop to see the progress of my built motor install and to get some face to face time. i didnt think 1 man could be so busy and still put out a top notch unmatched untouchable line of products. this guy is so busy because he does the best work in the world. I SAW FIRST HAND THAT HE IS SWAMPED. it is so worth the wait. what i am trying to say is troyer performance is not giving you the run around. their is a method to his maddness and you have to understand this. if you dont he will tell you to go fly a kite (speaking from experience). i too was upset at pushed back delivery dates since my daily driver was at his shop, but i could not grasp the sheer volume of work Mike and 2 mechs have. i fully understand now and am happy to wait as long as it takes to get my truck back. Mike and i had it out and it was not pretty. I messed up by getting upset and going over their:o. I thought i was getting the run around witch i was definately not. I have been a customer of mikes since Feb of 2008 and have had several long phone calls and many visits; with that being said, he has my business for life. that just goes to show you right their how good he is. ITS NOT HYPE OR HEAR SAY!!! HE IS THE BEST Just think of the hundreds of people that call each day and you get an idea of the volume of customers. In Conclusion, just be pacient because their are way more customers than Mike, 2 mechs and 2 people to answer the phone can handle and they handle this very very well. TROYER PERFORMANCE FOR LIFE!!!

 

I ordered mine August of 07 received them Oct. 07. I have been very happy with my tunes and customer service for almost 3 years and 100,000 miles now. If you don't mine waiting you will get the best tunes for your truck and mods possible. I did not mind waiting on my tunes because I ordered them when there was only 10,000 miles on my truck(still under warranty). I for one am the kind of person who likes to get the best I can afford and don't have to worry about buyers remorse. Other than a long wait there is no buyers remorse with Troyer. And one more thing there was this same complaint about waiting time 3 years ago but now maybe one month longer which means Mike still does it right one tune at a time. There was also people doggin Mike and saying go with another tuner which one of the aformention tuners at that time was just starting out which I am sure do a great job. If you really do your research you can see who has the most experience and year after year puts out an outstanding product.

 

I've got no intentions of backing out heheh. I also do not intend to push or prod Mike as i'd like piece of mind in knowing that he took his time with my tunes and really did it right the first time. I'm just eager having waited this long, and the temperatures outside are freaking awesome (80 above FTW!)... getting that summer time driving itch since I only get roughly 3-4 months of truly dry roads to drive on and test things out.

If this goes well I may consider getting another Xcal for a possible new truck I may be getting. I have the opportunity to buy a 2004 F150-5.4 FX4 packaged truck with a Rhino liner (otherwise stock) for about 9 grand, only have 68,000 on it.. not to bad. My parents were looking at moving out of state and my dad was interested in making me a deal on it. For that sort of price i'd grab it up, throw some exhaust on it, AF/3.5 and maybe even an E-FAN/Pulley, and of course tie it all up a Troyer Tune with another Xcal !

 

Correct that for you...

Hotter the temps, slower the vehicle.

 

But as far as Alaska goes... 80 is about as warm as it gets, so... its awesome. I can also assure you (from first hand experience) that in contrast, the truck doesn't like driving when its -65*F either. Well that's not being fair either... its like driving, just not stopping

https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...very-cold.html

 

BTW I don't want to start a tuner war but Troyer used to work with Justin, should ask him about the experience sometime. Justin will never have as much experience as Troyer and that's what most people want. Granted a 4.2l F150 is safe in either hands but if I bought a Ford GT or something related it's going to Troyer, he takes his time and analyzes everything especially if it's a vehicle he's never had in his shop. Great for the guy who owns the car, bad for the customer waiting behind him. Can't rush quality. Not only that but I'm not even sure how VMP's setup is, do they have mechanics and do actual mechanical work? I've never heard one thing about VMP mechanic ability if they do and I've never heard anyone actually going to his place either. Other than knowing his name VMP is a mystery to me.

 

I'm not trying to start a tuner war either, but the mis-information I see in some of these forums just begs to be corrected. AFAIK, all VMP does is tune. What requirement is there that any tuning facility has to be a full service shop? Personally, I would trust a full time tuner that tunes all day, more so than a part-time tuner. Ever hear of Jerry Wroblewski? Tuning and turning wrenches do not necessarily go hand in hand. If you can do both, fine, more power to you.

I can assure you Justin has never worked for or with Troyer. They've no doubt collaborated on the phone. Justin worked for SCT prior to opening VMP. SCT and VMP are both in Florida. Troyer is a distributor of SCT products, but has never been employed by SCT. Any training Troyer need for SCT products, he got from SCT. Troyer is quick to trash any competitor to make a sale. I'm not making that up, I heard it with my own ears. I've talked to both. I've used both. If you want to believe Troyer walks on water, I have no problem with that. But if you would educate yourself on what someone's capabilities are instead of talking trash because you personally never heard of them, you just might learn something. Check out his tuning forums for the volumes of dyno logs he's posted of supercharged mustangs and GT500s that he's tuned, including trucks. Check out other forums that Troyer doesn't sponsor. Yes, VMP specializes in mustangs.

I have no bone to pick with Troyer, I've bought a lot of parts from them and they've given me good service. The turn around on my tunes was slow, but it didn't affect me that much and I got in the queue long before my project was started and finished. With that said, if you want to wait 9 months to a year for a tune, have at it. I'm not saying Troyer doesn't know his stuff, but a tune for a basically stock truck is not worth waiting a year. If you're talking about a supercharged application, do you really want to wait more than a couple weeks for a custom tune? That's the reason I went to Justin in the first place. Troyer already had my money and was 8 weeks out on delivering my tune after I installed my supercharger.

Troyer is quick to point out trucks are an entirely different animal from cars of the Ford persuasion. I have the SCT software. I've been tuning my own stuff for 10 years. I was not comfortable tuning my boosted application and turned to both of them. I can tell you that the programming isn't all that different, but believe whatever hype you want.

I'm merely trying to point out an equal alternative with a shorter wait. Like I said, I've used them both. I'll be happy to load both tunes and let you figure which tuner did which tune.

 

**golf clap**

Hell when I talked to him the other day he trashed about every part on my truck, said it was junk, and my truck should have been done years ago.

 

granted everyone has their own opinion but I sat face to face with Troyer and he explained how he did have a role to play in SCT and knows Justin pretty well and even explained the story of how SCT and Justin parted ways when Justin worked there answering phones. Granted I know Troyer better than Justin but what's the point of lying about that? Just wanted to clear that up. Now if Justin says something different then that's when I'll be