Worth the wait. Just don't expect instant satisfaction when placing your order. The satisfaction comes once you've loaded your tunes and mash the accelerator to the floor. WOT is some serious fun.

Mike has been responsive to me and my requests. It just boils down to can you be patient?

 

Without actually doing a dyno tune they can't be but so custom...F150 5.4v...check....auto trans....check...CAI from AEM...check...magnaflow exhaust...check....Gas in philly..check....come on 2 months turn around IS a long time no matter how you stack it up. I'd be curious to know just how long it actually does take to write the "tune"...only then we could all stop this speculation.

 

Bottom line: If you want the best you need to wait. If you want something else you have many choices. There are other options. Some may be just what you need.

 

Clearly it does not take Mike 8+ weeks to write the tunes. He does have a life outside of his shop. He is in very high demand and most of the wait time is exactly that: wait time until your turn comes up.

People take this stuff too seriously. If you want Mike you wait. If you don't want to wait go to VMP or someone else. It is simple and not worth arguing over.

 

If you want to know, call Troyer Performance and find out, or, search the many threads Mike has posted to in explaining this as well.

I recommended calling him first.

You have to understand Mike constructs these tunes on his own and has many many customers on his list to take care of not to mention the amount of time and R & D he puts into his work. If you want something proven and great, you have to get in line or visit his facility and get the work done there.

 

In case you didn't know, after getting Mike's tunes are you supposed to datalog, preferably on a dyno, then send Mike that data and he will, for no additional cost (last I checked), modify your initial tune based on the data he receives. I have no idea if other tuners do this, perhaps someone else can chime in...

- NCSU

 

FX4 you just proved my point.

You make such an effort to point out that the computers in these trucks are so different, what about the motors?? No two motors are alike and unless your tunner is psycic or has a crystal ball he can not account for these variations even if he required a 100 page work sheet and a sample of oil and gas from the truck. The ONLY way to properly tune a vehicle is in real time with the vehicle on the dyno showing you real time results of what your inputs are doing. Yeah you can get a general idea of what the outcome will be, but in the end you have to make your tune safe for the least common denominator.

Every mail order tuner askes for your computer code so they can make corrections per your particular ECU variances but that still does not result in a great tune. You might pick up a few ponies but no telling how many you left on the table either. I am sorry maybe it is just me but I would rather spend the same money to have a reputable tunner tune my vehicle on the spot using a dyno rather than using a 4 page worksheet that tells him I drive like a nut, tow and xxxlb trailer and have 93 octane fuel available to me. Mail order tunes are just that while somewhat tailored to your car they are still somewhat generic, exhaust..check, intake....check, 4.10 gears...check. What type or brand makes no difference, if you changed your oil yesterday or 4,000 miles ago makes no difference, if you run dino oil or synthetic does not matter and anyone who tells you that these items makes any difference when mail ordering a tune is simply blowing smoke up your a$$ to make you think they are more thorough.

No offense to anyone but come on its a fuggin truck not a high performance vehicle. Go take a stroll over to any Mustang, LS1, Vette board you want and see how many people trusted their tunning needs to a package in the mail. I might not be a wiz tuner, nor do I pretend to be, but I have been around high performance cars and drag racing since I was a kid, I have had 3 99+ 4.6 Mustangs a 99 Cobra, 01 GT, and an 03 Mach. All were tuned on a dyno and all were drag raced, while not an F-150 to a degree a a Ford is a Ford and I know damn good and well that I would not have trusted any of them to a mail order tune thats costs the same if not more than a REAL tune on a dyno.

 

So let me get this right, you are willing to pay for a tune, wait 2 months for it, then go to a dyno facility and pay them to datalog your truck, send the data back and wait more time for a revised tune, go back and pay the dyno place AGAIN to datalog, send that info back......wait again...........hope you are lucky and he managed to nail it on the head on the second attempt so you don't have to go back to the dyno facility AGAIN and pay them more money.

All of this time and waiting....and extra money spent when the dyno facility could have probably had you tuned and out the door in a matter of hours. Does Troyer reimburst you for the money spent at the dyno datalogging your truck???? Not sure what the going rate is across the country but the facility closest to me is usually about $60.00 for 3 pulls, 3 tunes I would want a minimum of 2 pulls on each so we are looking at $180 for the first go round, and $180 for the second go round. So thats $360 added to whatever you spent on the initial 3 tunes....got to put you close to the $1000 mark when all is said and done.

 

This thread went downhill real fast.

 

These types of threads usually do..........

 

I should have mentioned NEW TECHNOLOGY.

PowerPc EEC.
VCT
ETC/TQ control

How long has Mike actually written his OWN tunes using SCT's software. It isn't like he never went to any classes and just picked up what he knows.

 

yeah it seems to be heresy if you try to inform someone about tunning unless that is you point them to the almighty of the boards.

 

Hmm. I wonder where Troyer learned all of what he knows. I know Justin used to write programs for SCT. If Troyer didn't work for anyone like that before it'd be funny because everyone calls you out for trying to learn more about tuning.

No kidding.

 

you know what would really be fun, and independant study. Same vehicle 2 mail order tunes. I would like to compare not so much for results but the tune itself.

I know SCT keeps a database of tunes available to their dealers, and most tuners keep their own database of previous tunes on different combos they have done. I would be willing to bet some just pull thoes, tweak them a bit and ship it out the door.

From a marketing standpoint, you can price anything as high as you want provided the market will pay that price. What better way to make what you are selling seem better than the next guy than by creating the illusion of ultimate demand by delaying your delivery times.

 

True Thump.

The way this thread's headed, Rock will pull the plug in no time.... mark my words.

Shame.

Just for the record, as one or two here know, I went with a Superchips Flashpaq. Ordered it from AutoAnything, had it plugged and rolling two business days later.

Mike at SC was very gracious to tweak a couple of things I was having issues with upon installation, send me the updated programe which I downloaded. I was having some compatability issues in conjunction with my S&B CAI and the Flashpaq. Ironed out in about a week.

I'm very pleased to put it conservatively.

Is it the quality a Troyer? Dunno, as I have no comparison data. Probably not because, as simple as I am when it comes to these things, even I'm astute enough to know that a custom tune and OTC tuner are no comparison

One last thing before I depart this thread: The guys at SC [on thier boards and by the contacts I've had via phone] speak very highly of Mike Troyer, his work and his products. They often post that they consider Mike a friend. Just a shame I never got to experience it first hand.

Tis' life.

Adios.