Need help on xcal 2 from troyer
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Originally Posted by Jditta
I was wondering when you would chime in MGD. Thanks for the info.
Do you have the custom tunes or no? I thought i had seen where you said you did or not, can't remember. I look at too many threads.
Do you have the custom tunes or no? I thought i had seen where you said you did or not, can't remember. I look at too many threads.
Yes, I do. I have had tuning from TP for several years. Impressive, to say the least and I am one picky sumbitch lol!
Terrific customer service, and honest, friendly people, is just icing on the cake!
If they don't make you happy, I'll switch my beer brand
! How's THAT for an endorsement! 
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Hi.
Yes, I do. I have had tuning from TP for several years. Impressive, to say the least and I am one picky sumbitch lol!
Terrific customer service, and honest, friendly people, is just icing on the cake!
If they don't make you happy, I'll switch my beer brand ! How's THAT for an endorsement!
MGD
Yes, I do. I have had tuning from TP for several years. Impressive, to say the least and I am one picky sumbitch lol!
Terrific customer service, and honest, friendly people, is just icing on the cake!
If they don't make you happy, I'll switch my beer brand
! How's THAT for an endorsement! MGD
I have a lifted truck so I just want something that will give it some get up. The edge was great in my opinion, just hoping the xcal 2 w/ tunes would be better. I'm not very hip on tuners and there info.
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Originally Posted by Jditta
That is one HELL of an endorsement. I was just wondering because want to get all the info I can before I switch from the Edge.
I have a lifted truck so I just want something that will give it some get up. The edge was great in my opinion, just hoping the xcal 2 w/ tunes would be better. I'm not very hip on tuners and there info.
I have a lifted truck so I just want something that will give it some get up. The edge was great in my opinion, just hoping the xcal 2 w/ tunes would be better. I'm not very hip on tuners and there info.
Understood, bud.
I have to be honest with y'all. Depending upon how extreme the changes to your effective gearing are, you may want to budget for gears. Torque improvements from custom tuning are significant, but at a certain point, gearing will be highly desireable. Refer to Kevin24's posts - he's in the same situation.
When MT gets back from SEMA, see if you can hook up with him via phone for an education, lol.
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Hi.
Understood, bud.
I have to be honest with y'all. Depending upon how extreme the changes to your effective gearing are, you may want to budget for gears. Torque improvements from custom tuning are significant, but at a certain point, gearing will be highly desireable. Refer to Kevin24's posts - he's in the same situation.
When MT gets back from SEMA, see if you can hook up with him via phone for an education, lol.
Understood, bud.
I have to be honest with y'all. Depending upon how extreme the changes to your effective gearing are, you may want to budget for gears. Torque improvements from custom tuning are significant, but at a certain point, gearing will be highly desireable. Refer to Kevin24's posts - he's in the same situation.
When MT gets back from SEMA, see if you can hook up with him via phone for an education, lol.
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Jditta,
I run 35's as well and have done gears as well as tunes, etc. Gears make a bigger difference but at about 2-3x the price of custom tuned XCal and high flow intake. So bang for buck the tunes/intake are probably the best performance mod. Having said that, you may want to plan for gears in the long term. My 3.73's felt pretty weak turning the 35's. You don't have to do it all at once, if you change gearing down the road it's a simple parameter change you can do yourself with the XCal. I never had an Edge so can't say it's better or worse than a custom tuned XCal but the custom tunes make what I would consider a very large increase in power through the middle of the power band as well as greatly improved transmission behavior, plus you can have your tuner tailor the tune for what YOU do with your truck. The truck feels "alive" now from basically any rpm or speed. Put it this way, if I had to return to stock I would probably sell my truck within a few months. Sort of like those things in life you don't want to go back to.
I run 35's as well and have done gears as well as tunes, etc. Gears make a bigger difference but at about 2-3x the price of custom tuned XCal and high flow intake. So bang for buck the tunes/intake are probably the best performance mod. Having said that, you may want to plan for gears in the long term. My 3.73's felt pretty weak turning the 35's. You don't have to do it all at once, if you change gearing down the road it's a simple parameter change you can do yourself with the XCal. I never had an Edge so can't say it's better or worse than a custom tuned XCal but the custom tunes make what I would consider a very large increase in power through the middle of the power band as well as greatly improved transmission behavior, plus you can have your tuner tailor the tune for what YOU do with your truck. The truck feels "alive" now from basically any rpm or speed. Put it this way, if I had to return to stock I would probably sell my truck within a few months. Sort of like those things in life you don't want to go back to.
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Originally Posted by Jditta
Well put man. I'm in the process of selling my edge now and looking at the xcal2 with TP. Just gonna give it a little time, funds are low right now.
but VMP has a shorter wait(like days not weeks) and $10 cheaper. I'm quite sure custom is better than canned tune, but anybody know how much variance between customs? 
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
I'm good at pissing people off, but VMP has a shorter wait(like days not weeks) and $10 cheaper. I'm quite sure custom is better than canned tune, but anybody know how much variance between customs?
but VMP has a shorter wait(like days not weeks) and $10 cheaper. I'm quite sure custom is better than canned tune, but anybody know how much variance between customs?
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Originally Posted by Jditta
I don't know anything about VMP tuning. I'd have to get thumps words on that, I think he has VMP tuning.
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Originally Posted by Jditta
I don't know anything about VMP tuning. I'd have to get thumps words on that, I think he has VMP tuning.
TP has the most experience on the F150 platform. Period.
Call both...
Wait fer 4-5 weeks? Pfft.
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
I'm not much help on it. I ordered mine about a week ago and Gotta wait about 17 more days to try it out.
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Hitched,
I haven't seen anyone on this forum yet with a strict apples to apples between the custom tuners. I think Ski is the closest since he's had a bunch of different tuners (he has a very comprehensive post on that). Thumper had and Edge and now VMP dyno'd custom XCal which he is very happy with and should be (take a look at his dyno chart over his previous Edge, the low to midrange blows the Edge away). I have VMP tunes as well as Troyer tunes but really can not provide a valid comparison as my VMP tunes are for the stock intake and my Troyer tunes are for an AF1 3.5-inch plus no dyno charts or certified track times to back up any claims. The other thing is I asked Justin for combination tunes rather than maximum perfomance tunes. The dyno and track time numbers being one thing, to me it's how the truck drives day to day, shift patterns, power in the idle to ~3,500 range or so that make the biggest difference for most of us. I have long suggested anyone who is curious on that to order tunes from who you are interested in and decide for yourself. For me, the TP/AF1 combo is awesome and delivered in Spades.
I haven't seen anyone on this forum yet with a strict apples to apples between the custom tuners. I think Ski is the closest since he's had a bunch of different tuners (he has a very comprehensive post on that). Thumper had and Edge and now VMP dyno'd custom XCal which he is very happy with and should be (take a look at his dyno chart over his previous Edge, the low to midrange blows the Edge away). I have VMP tunes as well as Troyer tunes but really can not provide a valid comparison as my VMP tunes are for the stock intake and my Troyer tunes are for an AF1 3.5-inch plus no dyno charts or certified track times to back up any claims. The other thing is I asked Justin for combination tunes rather than maximum perfomance tunes. The dyno and track time numbers being one thing, to me it's how the truck drives day to day, shift patterns, power in the idle to ~3,500 range or so that make the biggest difference for most of us. I have long suggested anyone who is curious on that to order tunes from who you are interested in and decide for yourself. For me, the TP/AF1 combo is awesome and delivered in Spades.
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Originally Posted by BlackDawg
Hitched,
I haven't seen anyone on this forum yet with a strict apples to apples between the custom tuners. I think Ski is the closest since he's had a bunch of different tuners (he has a very comprehensive post on that). Thumper had and Edge and now VMP dyno'd custom XCal which he is very happy with and should be (take a look at his dyno chart over his previous Edge, the low to midrange blows the Edge away). I have VMP tunes as well as Troyer tunes but really can not provide a valid comparison as my VMP tunes are for the stock intake and my Troyer tunes are for an AF1 3.5-inch plus no dyno charts or certified track times to back up any claims. The other thing is I asked Justin for combination tunes rather than maximum perfomance tunes. The dyno and track time numbers being one thing, to me it's how the truck drives day to day, shift patterns, power in the idle to ~3,500 range or so that make the biggest difference for most of us. I have long suggested anyone who is curious on that to order tunes from who you are interested in and decide for yourself. For me, the TP/AF1 combo is awesome and delivered in Spades.
I haven't seen anyone on this forum yet with a strict apples to apples between the custom tuners. I think Ski is the closest since he's had a bunch of different tuners (he has a very comprehensive post on that). Thumper had and Edge and now VMP dyno'd custom XCal which he is very happy with and should be (take a look at his dyno chart over his previous Edge, the low to midrange blows the Edge away). I have VMP tunes as well as Troyer tunes but really can not provide a valid comparison as my VMP tunes are for the stock intake and my Troyer tunes are for an AF1 3.5-inch plus no dyno charts or certified track times to back up any claims. The other thing is I asked Justin for combination tunes rather than maximum perfomance tunes. The dyno and track time numbers being one thing, to me it's how the truck drives day to day, shift patterns, power in the idle to ~3,500 range or so that make the biggest difference for most of us. I have long suggested anyone who is curious on that to order tunes from who you are interested in and decide for yourself. For me, the TP/AF1 combo is awesome and delivered in Spades.