I don't know what you're referring to, but probably not.

 

Undeaddemon, actually, I understand what you are saying about how the design could be better. I think that can be said for most any product. But for my needs it is quite satisfactory. What you might consider is a diesel so that you can change programs on the fly. Punch of a button and Voooom!

 

Originally Posted by undeaddemon
It seems so easy just to update the software... how hard can it be?

LOL...

Software=The programming that RUNS the tuner, NOT the settings a user can change. This would be update done by the C+ developer.



So, your saying, changing your tune 30 miles out in the woods is a mistake? (because there would never be a scenario where THAT would be needed?)

An yeah... ya seem a little scared of the programmer... I had changed my tune like 20 times by day 3 (partially just to see if I could kill my truck)... though... for the last 6 weeks... my driving has not required a change...

 

LMAOROFL !!!

Poor Bubba - stuck with 3 superior dead-nuts perfect, safe, reliable tunes. On the device. With custom setings - safe ones - allowed for each, if I so choose.

And an near-infinite number (as many as will fit on a hard drive) additional tunes, again if I so choose.

In fact, I did just that on my previous truck - fully 2 dozen different tunes customized up the wazoo, named & saved, using Extreme Tune v1.1.6 and SCT's XTR tune file format. Could have easily been two hundred...

And y'know what - none of them were as good as the ones initially provided by the tuner - no surprise there.

If that defines being stuck - I'm in! !!!

Oh wow - pished meeself there, boy

Y'know, the uninformed are the funniest. Keep 'em coming.

 

When I first got the programmer I thoroughly read through the manual and made sure I knew pretty much everything about the tuner as to ensure not to get myself in a jam. Like you, when I first got the edge, I also played with every setting known to man in the programmer just to see where my truck performed best. The problem is, certain people go in and mess around with their "custom" tunes and end up completely destroying the tune because they do not know how each setting effects the next and they just set whatever parameters they want without knowing what they are actually doing. These are the people who disable their vehicles because they simply didn't take the time to read through the manual and have a working knowledge of the unit they were using. As far as changing the edge to accomodate what you listed in your first post, it can do all of that already. Basically, you are saying you just dont want to take the extra 10 seconds to have to go in and do it yourself???

 

Now Now... I bought it (Edge Evolution) BECAUSE of that customization... I just wanna be able to save a customization... and give it a name.... Rather than go through that customization menu system every time. Another example... Anyone here run 2 sets of tires? Do you know what its like tryin to remember tire diameters in cms? sorry... I got a bunch of crap written down on a little piece of paper... and it seems a little silly (well, I know its my fault I can't remember a bunch of numbers...)

You guys seems SO defensive of the product... and I am here trying to build support and ideas for the next generation product.... It's like arguing with the wife.... I know I'm right, but now it just doesn't seem worth the effort.

 

Not really, I am saying I really would like to be able to STORE SEVERAL 'custom' tunes that ***I*** generate via customization menu............... A N D ........... I'd like to store one(or more) Imported Tune(s) from the DYNO SHOP. This would be like a TP style tune...

 

Dude...I'm not here to get into a pissing contest. It's great your happy with your tuner. I assume your Troyer tuned by your statement above.

And as far as being uninformed....I was refering to the amount of tunes you could have stored on your device. Not the amount of tunes your laptop or home computer could store. Also I wasn't refering to Troyer tunes at all. I was refering to the XCalII device. Leave it to some people to add words inbetween the lines they are trying to read from.

Peace out...I'm done on this particular issue in this thread. Dont' want this to turn into a Troyer vs Edge Thread..which I had no intention of getting into.

 

I understand what you are saying now, I guess it just doesn't pertain to me as much. I only use the performance tune and the tow tune and any customization I do I have memorized all the numbers in my head so it doesn't take me that long to do. I guess if you were constantly changing your tune then this feature would be helpful. One thing to think about though, with all this changing of tunes all the time...I heard from this forum and I agree with it...your truck's computer does a little bit of altering to one's personal driving style and it also takes a few days for your truck to learn its new tune. That being said, if your constantly changing your tune, your truck is constantly trying to learn your new driving habits. Wouldn't this make for a erratic computer??? I dont know if erratic is the correct word to use but I hope you see what I'm trying to get at.

 

Have you contacted Edge about the possibility of storing your customized tuned via a "My Tunes" menu?

Most of us aren't being defensive. We are just trying to do understand what you were trying to say in your first post. Also trying to help a fellow Edger understand his product. Honestly, it came across in your first post that you didn't have the slightest clue how to use your Edge. But now I think we are all on the same page.

 

Now your really dreaming.

See previous comments on product development, toolset availability and knowledge dissemination ...

Plus - given Edge only tunes for five digits instead of the full 7 digit strategy code, it can be arguably inferred that the toolset itself does not have access to the full breadth of all the PCM's functionality.

That's a biggie right there, as it is this access that allows fully in-depth custom tuning to exist in the first place - and allows complete control for said purpose.

Don't get me wrong - dreamin's good - it's what makes us human (well, most of us )...

That's true for me as well - I'm havin' a blast, though ! LOL!

Cheers
Bubba

 

Yup... Bubba... thats what I'm dreamin...

In my mind, it seems likely that it may not access all area of the PCM, and/or has no software/hardware functionality to store the fields of information required my such a tune... hence the phrase "how much would you pay for an UPGRADE".... I don't know the tech. constraints that exsist on the current Edge Hardware platform, but SOFTWARE can always change....

Obviously, I want the best of the Edge and Xcal.....

 

Right... I asked Edge the Question. Didn't like the answer. So I also was looking for a tuner that "does it all" Like you are saying... Livewire. But if there are people who have an Edge, but are ready for more, wouldn't it make sense for them to develope that product? Dunno... maybe I ain't right....

 

Agree on the software, provided the core unit was architected to be extensible in this fashiion.

If 'yes' ( and that's including sufficient code space , RAM, & NVM, etc), then apart for development costs and the actual WILL to do it, I concur.

If 'no', then an engineering change is required to the platform itself, which means a hardware swap - so basically you can forget it. New product time.

Cheers
Bubba

 

As a software programmer I will say this. Without users like yourself thinking of ways to improve the Edge programmer, it will only be as good as what the tech programming it thinks the users want. This functionality (your idea) might have never crossed his mind or it might have. Without users like yourself thinking of ways to improve it (weither the ideas be great for everybody or just yourself or just really crappy ideas) the Edge will not continously improve. So dude...call them up and explain your ideas. Who knows, they might incorporate some of them into the next release.