Please point us all to the impartial source of this data.

Just curious.

Cheers
Grog

PS: Congrats on the PRP/X2 acquisition. Please keep us posted on that. Thanks.

 

Although the debates, if you can call them that, are entertaining, they are a bit silly. I read these post and laugh to myself at the Mike groupies who feel they have to defend Mike everytime someone has a good opinion of someone else's product. It's very predictable who will chime in to defend when they feel someone is threating Mike. He's a big boy. He can take care of himself. It takes away from his credibility by blindly trying to "protect" him. All my f150 performance parts have come from Mike, But I do realize there are other people and products out there that are good. If you have not tried another product how can you say it's not as good? Lighten up and let everyone have their own opinion.

 

An we keep putting fuel to the fire!

Kevin

 

Not sure who has done the "impartial" tests for F-150's, but there has been a proven test where all tuners where invited to compete in a 6.0 Liter Ford diesel shootout. The point is that all were invited, many competed, and one was a clear master tuner. Erick from a place called Innovative Tunes / Billet Speed. He is not ONLY a master of 6.0 liter SCT X-Cal2 tunes, but Mustangs, Muraders, Explorers, Expeditions, V-10's, and yes...F-150's. It can be found at Tuner Shoot-Out

This was an OPEN TO ALL event. None were discriminated against, but many chose not to compete for whatever reasons. I have dealt with Eric, he is one hell of a guy, and he knows his stuff. The first tune he did for our 7.3 I asked for some mods that I turned out not happy with, and he accepted my ignorance as a mistake and helped me out by fixing what he initially tried to talk me out of....for free. I dont know the tuners here, but Eric is a Fantastic guy, and he lives and breathes Fords...both gas and diesel. He does most of his tuning on dynos, and he is very friendly and customer oriented. What I am saying is that you dont need to brain washed into thinking that ONE GUY holds the secret key to any tune...there are others that you just may not be aware of....that may well be as good....OR BETTER!

This Mike Troyer thing is almost a joke. He may be a site sponsor, AND a good tuner...but the best.....How do you know? Have you tried TS? Eric at Innovative? Jody? There are many custom tuners! And although Mike has the market cornered here for whatever reason, I would never blindedly call him the best. I will not bow down and kiss his behind, and I will not fall for the repeated brain washing attempts of his lackies. I know guys that would rather kill you than let you bad mouth Eric...and some of you are just the same here. Is mike better than Eric? Hardly. Is Eric better than Mike? Hardly. They are each trained by SCT (If Mike is a true SCT backed tuner) and learned from the same guys. They may both tune on a dyno and drag strip (Or maybe Mike does not...I dont know, nor do I claim to...). But I know that Eric is one bad to the bone custom SCT tuner who is heavily backed by SCT, and who has vast experiance and takes personal pride in his extreme files for not one type of Ford car or truck, but in all the Extreme and custom race tunes he has developed thru hundreds of hours of testing and INNOVATING! I have a pal with a 6.0 F-350 that goes 7,600 lbs, its a stock truck with an intake...and he turns a 14.1 second 1/4 mile at 96 MPH with only a Innovative Tune. I have onother buddy with a 2002 Mustang GT with a aftermarket supercharger and a Innovative tune turning 10.35 1/4 mile times compared to the stock tune turning 10.90 1/4 mile times. If I were going to go with a guy that I needed to DEPEND on for PROVEN history of wild and succesfull tunes...I would still be calling Eric!

 

I agree that it would be hard to say who is the "best". Best at what? is a better question. There are too many things to consider when purchasing a tuner and having someone to write the tune. Every person has a different need for a tune.

The tuner shoot out you wrote about was looking at one thing "Recall that the objective was to measure HP and torque as a function of RPM on a single dynamometer to answer the initial question posed on TDS, which was “what tuner or module generates the most HP/torque at low RPM?” Therefore, some of the products tested may not have been designed for peak HP at higher RPM." So you have to take into consideration what this test was for.

Just my two cents worth.

Kevin

 

never heard of Erick or Innovative Tunes till now...as long as you're happy with what you got, that's what counts

 

[QUOTE=


I will not fall for the repeated brain washing attempts of his lackies. [/QUOTE]

So we should fall for the brainwashing attempt by a "eric" lackey???

Gimme a break.....

 

Don't start it guys... my finger is on this pulse...

 

I was wondering if "Big Brother" was watching! Just kidding RP. I agree it is starting to smell a little.

Kevin

 

Really not trying to play Big Brother -- honestly I'm not. I'm just trying to keep this forum civil...

I honestly don't care who each individual wants/likes to tune their truck... I do care, however, that all of the bickering and name calling and general immaturity has run rampant in here... it's become very bothering to a vast majority of users.

When a minority ruin it for majority, that's where someone needs to intervene.

Hi! My name is Mr. Inte R. Vene....

 

I in no way thought of you as Big Brother. I agree that the maturity level does drop in the forums at times. Glad you care enough to monitor so it doesn't get out of hand.

Kevin

 

Actually, if you pretty much live in the F150online forum only, you probably would not ever hear of Eric at Innovative, or Jody Tipton, or TS...or who knows how many others. They tend to have thier major following on Ford sites that are into more than F-150 alnoe...and that also favor oil burners. Eric knows Troyer, and so does SCT...I have talked to both of them about Troyer. Troyer also knows them. Trust me, he does. Jody Tipton may elude him, but Jody is pretty much the undisputed god and master of the Ford 7.3, (due to drag racing and competition truck-pulling results with the 7.3) and like Troyer, he only does that one thing. Tipton just signed a deal with SCT recently ( Jody Tipton www.DP-Tuner.com ). Eric has been tuning for years with SCT and has dyno and drag strip tested all gas and diesel Fords he has been able to get his hands on.

Moderator, my point in this is due to this weird obsession with the one guy that advertises here and posts here. Its like he is considered "The Best" only because half of the poor souls must never leave this forum and discover that there are actually other custom tuners out there, and that this Troyer (just like Eric) is one in maybe what......10 or 20? More? Do you really think Erick and Troyer have cracked the secret code to power? I dont think so....rather they are doing tweaks within limits to push the engines further and harder than the factory was willing. Like buying a 70 Mustang and advancing the timing at the distributor, changing carb to a Holley HP series 4150 and going 1 jet rich on the secondaries and dropping to a 30cc squirter so it does not bog. Only these guys do it with software. Its not brain surgery!

 

So, what exactly is your point ford521ci? Sounds like you main objective here on this forum is to put down TP, start crap and continue to keep it going.

If you’re happy with your guy and what he’s done for you, that’s what counts, am I right? Those that continually prop up TP do it for a reason; they’re satisfied with his service, plain and simple. Why not just leave it there because bashing doesn’t help anyone in any camp.

 

I agree. I don't understand why we must be "poor souls" for being happy with the products we've purchased from TP. I like to stick with what works for me, as I'm sure you do the same. So far that has been TP for me, and I assume Innovative for you. There's nothing wrong with having choices, just don't try to drag our choice down, to make your choice look better. That's when these threads take a downward turn and get all out of hand.

It's best just to relay your personal experience, and be done. No need to call anyone a "lackey" or make negative comments about ANY tuner that you have no experience with. Do you see us supposed "lackeys" talking bad about Eric when we have no experience with him?

I'd really like to see these kind of threads stop getting out of hand. There is a lot of good info to be had. Maybe the same questions wouldn't come up over and over if the "my tuner is better than your tuner" stuff didn't clog them all up.

 

i agree, cant we all just get along