SUPER CHIP AND MPG - THE TRUTH!
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SUPER CHIP AND MPG - THE TRUTH!
I'm not here to knock Mike T. I'm going to point out a FALLACY in Mike T's logic.
I read the post on the 10 month MPG thing. I too did about a 8 or 10 month log as well. With and without the chip. People went absolutely NUTS!
Truth is, LONG term data and averaging smooths out the probable variances in your fill-up methods, fuel brand, temperatures, driving methods, weight, etc... If you do al the SAME variances with AND without the chip... Over THE LONG TERM your data will show an approximate average that is close enough for use. LIKE 1/10 of a MPG CLOSE!
Saying that, I need to point out that its VERY misleading to talk about fuel types and use this as an excuse! I live the in the Metro Washington DC area. ALL, I SAID ALL, fuel in this area comes from the SAME FREAKING PLACE! YUP! Amaco is Exxon is Mobile is Citgo is Sheetz is MOM & POPs!!! PERIOD!!!! The ONLY difference is the additives added to the fuel. Exxon adds their own special recipe as does Sheetz as does whomever!
SO, the energy content is basically THE SAME! The trick is to not buy stale fuel. Buy at a place that sells a lot of fuel and buy the cheapest! True the additives will help with carbon buildup.
There was a big study done in this area and the outcome said buy the cheapest ITS ALL THE SAME. Just buy at a place where the fuel is most likely fresh!
Again, a tank or two of stale Mom & Pop fuel is NOT going to throw-off your average over long term data gathering and averaging!
FACT: SUPERCHIP PROBABLY WON'T GIVE YOU AN INCREASE IN MPG, however, it could.
No one can seem to find out why this is occuring. We can't pin point it down to anything. I did NOT drive mine hard at all. That would be the biggest gray area of all. Ones ability to be aware that they do drive hard. But if they drive hard all the time, they drive hard without the chip too.
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
I read the post on the 10 month MPG thing. I too did about a 8 or 10 month log as well. With and without the chip. People went absolutely NUTS!
Truth is, LONG term data and averaging smooths out the probable variances in your fill-up methods, fuel brand, temperatures, driving methods, weight, etc... If you do al the SAME variances with AND without the chip... Over THE LONG TERM your data will show an approximate average that is close enough for use. LIKE 1/10 of a MPG CLOSE!
Saying that, I need to point out that its VERY misleading to talk about fuel types and use this as an excuse! I live the in the Metro Washington DC area. ALL, I SAID ALL, fuel in this area comes from the SAME FREAKING PLACE! YUP! Amaco is Exxon is Mobile is Citgo is Sheetz is MOM & POPs!!! PERIOD!!!! The ONLY difference is the additives added to the fuel. Exxon adds their own special recipe as does Sheetz as does whomever!
SO, the energy content is basically THE SAME! The trick is to not buy stale fuel. Buy at a place that sells a lot of fuel and buy the cheapest! True the additives will help with carbon buildup.
There was a big study done in this area and the outcome said buy the cheapest ITS ALL THE SAME. Just buy at a place where the fuel is most likely fresh!
Again, a tank or two of stale Mom & Pop fuel is NOT going to throw-off your average over long term data gathering and averaging!
FACT: SUPERCHIP PROBABLY WON'T GIVE YOU AN INCREASE IN MPG, however, it could.
No one can seem to find out why this is occuring. We can't pin point it down to anything. I did NOT drive mine hard at all. That would be the biggest gray area of all. Ones ability to be aware that they do drive hard. But if they drive hard all the time, they drive hard without the chip too.
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
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Just curious about what you are saying because in another post in this same forus you state that you got an increase pulling from 9 mpg to 11.5 with the chip? I'm basically curious about what you are saying because I am interested in the chip, and now that I have a large overhead camper, I need a little more juice for my 302, but I don't want to spend the money on premium + the chip if it isn't going to give a noticable difference in power and enough mpg increase (empty) to offset the extra $.10 per gallon (I already run midgrade).
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Hi Rand,
Here we go again..........
We've been over this with you *many* times here on these message boards over the past couple of years, as anyone who has been here for any length of time will remember, unfortunately.
You yourself claimed that you too, got a solid mpg increase from the Superchip during the first few months after you installed it, and not just when towing, as you now seem to be claiming.
You've contradicted yourself numerous times here over this, and that doesn't help to "prove" any point you try to make. Just when are we supposed to believe what?
Reality is, we do in fact see significant differences in performance and mileage among different brands, plain and simple. There are poor quality fuels and there are higher quality fuels (speaking in terms of both energy content and the quality of detergent additives), and it clearly shows in mileage & performance results. Reality is also that this varies in different geographic areas of the country as well. Some fuels that aren't working well here in the East are among some of the best out West, and vice-versa. this all varies based on air quality, as any area not meeting "attainment" status is faced with the potential loss of Federal highway funds if they don't clean up their air. And *that* is one of the biggest factors driving many of the variations we see in fuel formulations and their effect on the BTU content across the country.
And yes, just about anyone who has ever actually been in any part of the petroleum products distribution business will tell you that there is indeed a fair amount of swapping back and forth of base fuel stocks, that is an undeniable fact. However, that does *not* mean that they're "all the same", everywhere in the country, not by a long shot. That also still doesn't change the fact that we see varying results from what comes out of the pump, Rand, plain and simple. It doesn't change the fact that Exxon, for example, is clearly showing less mileage & performance in virtually every direct comparison ever made against brands like Texaco. It doesn't change the fact that Harley-Davidson for example, has been telling their owners for a few years now not to use Exxon for the same reason, because of it's lower energy content. Nor does it change the fact that this varies somewhat in different areas of the country, as do we in our recommendations, based on all of the results data that we have accumulated.
In fact, it's rather hilarious to see you rail that it's all the same, from Sheetz to Texaco, yet turn around and proclaim Exxon/Mobil to be a "sleazy product" in your signature line, right there along with your political leanings, Rand. Yep, you've got it all figured out all right.
It's also a bit funny to see you claim that all fuels have the same energy content, yet your own mileage log (the one you erroneously claimed was an accurate & direct comparison of mileage with & without the Superchip) clearly showed mileage differences between brands, while doing, according to your own comments in that log, the same type of driving. If you'll go back and take a close look at it, you'll see that there are tanks of Exxon showing significantly lower mileage than another better brand used right behind it, just for one quick example of what I mean. This is while you were doing the same basic type of driving, according to the notes in your log. Gee, I wonder why that could be, could it possibly be......................a difference in energy content? No, it couldn't be that, as all fuels are the same, right? Not according to your own "data", my friend.
It might interest you to know that Exxon, while perhaps my least favorite fuel among what are generally considered to be "major name brands", ran some of the cleanest & safest refinery & tank farm operations in this country. I've been in almost every one of the refineries & tank farms in existence in the 48 states (never saw their Alaskan operations) up thru the mid-80's, and can personally attest to this. That doesn't change the results we get with their gasoline, but they sure do run a tight ship operationally, from everything that I saw, the Valdez spill excepted of course, that was an unmitigated disaster.
The bottom line here, and something that you might want to remember about us here at Performance and me specifically, is that:
1.) We really don't *care* what gas everyone uses! Burn whatever fuel you want to use Rand, it really makes no difference to me. All we do is try to let people know the results that we personally see in our vehicles, and the results as reported to us by our customers all over the country, so they can hopefully use the better quality fuels, in an effort to help people get the best results, whether their vehicle is modified or not. And, we see it making a difference much of the time, as there are in fact rather large differences in energy content & fuel quality, bottom line. Without rather significant amounts of data, it's not possible to make the kinds of claims you do. You have only your own data for your 1 vehicle, whereas we have tremendous amounts of data on this, from all over the country, and are constantly adding to it.
2.) The Superchip is a *performance* chip, first and foremost. The fact is, most of the people among our customer base that have done accurate mileage comparisons have in fact seen small improvements from the Superchip. It's a by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle, as part of our performance tuning for premium gas, and we have never made any guarantee of increased mileage, in fact, we have alweays gone to great lengths to explain the exact mechanism at work here that provides the potential for mielage gains, so that nobody has any misunderstandings about this, and you've seen this at least 100 times, I'm sure. We simply talk about the results, both our own in our vehicles and those of our customers all across the country.
Your mileage results with the Superchip will depend on a number of factors of course, the same basic factors that affect mileage with the Superchip affect it without the Superchip. The 2 primary factors are how the vehicle is operated and maintained, and the energy content of the fuel being burned. With regards to the mileage results before & after the Superchip, the 2 primary factors are how the vehicle is operated & maintained, and the energy content of the premium fuel being burned compared to the energy content of the regular gas that was being used previously.
Bottom line? Gasoline quality varies, and some people will see mileage gains from the Superchip, while others won't, although everyone will see performance gains. It's a performance chip first and foremost, it's that simple.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-22-2001).]
Here we go again..........
We've been over this with you *many* times here on these message boards over the past couple of years, as anyone who has been here for any length of time will remember, unfortunately.
You yourself claimed that you too, got a solid mpg increase from the Superchip during the first few months after you installed it, and not just when towing, as you now seem to be claiming.
You've contradicted yourself numerous times here over this, and that doesn't help to "prove" any point you try to make. Just when are we supposed to believe what?
Reality is, we do in fact see significant differences in performance and mileage among different brands, plain and simple. There are poor quality fuels and there are higher quality fuels (speaking in terms of both energy content and the quality of detergent additives), and it clearly shows in mileage & performance results. Reality is also that this varies in different geographic areas of the country as well. Some fuels that aren't working well here in the East are among some of the best out West, and vice-versa. this all varies based on air quality, as any area not meeting "attainment" status is faced with the potential loss of Federal highway funds if they don't clean up their air. And *that* is one of the biggest factors driving many of the variations we see in fuel formulations and their effect on the BTU content across the country.
And yes, just about anyone who has ever actually been in any part of the petroleum products distribution business will tell you that there is indeed a fair amount of swapping back and forth of base fuel stocks, that is an undeniable fact. However, that does *not* mean that they're "all the same", everywhere in the country, not by a long shot. That also still doesn't change the fact that we see varying results from what comes out of the pump, Rand, plain and simple. It doesn't change the fact that Exxon, for example, is clearly showing less mileage & performance in virtually every direct comparison ever made against brands like Texaco. It doesn't change the fact that Harley-Davidson for example, has been telling their owners for a few years now not to use Exxon for the same reason, because of it's lower energy content. Nor does it change the fact that this varies somewhat in different areas of the country, as do we in our recommendations, based on all of the results data that we have accumulated.
In fact, it's rather hilarious to see you rail that it's all the same, from Sheetz to Texaco, yet turn around and proclaim Exxon/Mobil to be a "sleazy product" in your signature line, right there along with your political leanings, Rand. Yep, you've got it all figured out all right.
It's also a bit funny to see you claim that all fuels have the same energy content, yet your own mileage log (the one you erroneously claimed was an accurate & direct comparison of mileage with & without the Superchip) clearly showed mileage differences between brands, while doing, according to your own comments in that log, the same type of driving. If you'll go back and take a close look at it, you'll see that there are tanks of Exxon showing significantly lower mileage than another better brand used right behind it, just for one quick example of what I mean. This is while you were doing the same basic type of driving, according to the notes in your log. Gee, I wonder why that could be, could it possibly be......................a difference in energy content? No, it couldn't be that, as all fuels are the same, right? Not according to your own "data", my friend.
It might interest you to know that Exxon, while perhaps my least favorite fuel among what are generally considered to be "major name brands", ran some of the cleanest & safest refinery & tank farm operations in this country. I've been in almost every one of the refineries & tank farms in existence in the 48 states (never saw their Alaskan operations) up thru the mid-80's, and can personally attest to this. That doesn't change the results we get with their gasoline, but they sure do run a tight ship operationally, from everything that I saw, the Valdez spill excepted of course, that was an unmitigated disaster.
The bottom line here, and something that you might want to remember about us here at Performance and me specifically, is that:
1.) We really don't *care* what gas everyone uses! Burn whatever fuel you want to use Rand, it really makes no difference to me. All we do is try to let people know the results that we personally see in our vehicles, and the results as reported to us by our customers all over the country, so they can hopefully use the better quality fuels, in an effort to help people get the best results, whether their vehicle is modified or not. And, we see it making a difference much of the time, as there are in fact rather large differences in energy content & fuel quality, bottom line. Without rather significant amounts of data, it's not possible to make the kinds of claims you do. You have only your own data for your 1 vehicle, whereas we have tremendous amounts of data on this, from all over the country, and are constantly adding to it.
2.) The Superchip is a *performance* chip, first and foremost. The fact is, most of the people among our customer base that have done accurate mileage comparisons have in fact seen small improvements from the Superchip. It's a by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle, as part of our performance tuning for premium gas, and we have never made any guarantee of increased mileage, in fact, we have alweays gone to great lengths to explain the exact mechanism at work here that provides the potential for mielage gains, so that nobody has any misunderstandings about this, and you've seen this at least 100 times, I'm sure. We simply talk about the results, both our own in our vehicles and those of our customers all across the country.
Your mileage results with the Superchip will depend on a number of factors of course, the same basic factors that affect mileage with the Superchip affect it without the Superchip. The 2 primary factors are how the vehicle is operated and maintained, and the energy content of the fuel being burned. With regards to the mileage results before & after the Superchip, the 2 primary factors are how the vehicle is operated & maintained, and the energy content of the premium fuel being burned compared to the energy content of the regular gas that was being used previously.
Bottom line? Gasoline quality varies, and some people will see mileage gains from the Superchip, while others won't, although everyone will see performance gains. It's a performance chip first and foremost, it's that simple.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-22-2001).]
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Rand,
Will you please stop bringing up the same thing over and over? Mike has done a good job explaining the Superchip and what it does. I have been here reading this site for almost a year, and I've found Mike's information to be very helpful. Do I own a Superchip? No, I don't and probably won't for quite a while. Do I think it's a good product? Yes. It increases the perfomance of the F-150's engines.
I don't know why you feel the need to keep bringing up the same thing. If you don't like the Superchip (not sure why you wouldn't if you got increased performance from it), then state your feelings once and leave it be. Quit bringing up the same topic every 3 months.
I'm not taking sides, but it seems that Mike has very specific knowledge of the chip and what it does (I would hope he would since he sells it), and I think he does a great job explaining this in laymen's terms so people like myself can understand the benefits. Not for a second would I buy a Superchip for an increase in mileage. If I got an increase, I would be happy, but I would not expect one because that is not what the chip is programmed for. If you want a car that gets great gas mileage, save up $1,000 and buy a early 90's Honda and drive that around. I drive my wife's Toyota Paseo when we want to get 35 mpg, and when we want to be in a comfortable truck, we drive the F-150.
I apologize for the length of this post, but I felt these things needed to be said.
-SB
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Will you please stop bringing up the same thing over and over? Mike has done a good job explaining the Superchip and what it does. I have been here reading this site for almost a year, and I've found Mike's information to be very helpful. Do I own a Superchip? No, I don't and probably won't for quite a while. Do I think it's a good product? Yes. It increases the perfomance of the F-150's engines.
I don't know why you feel the need to keep bringing up the same thing. If you don't like the Superchip (not sure why you wouldn't if you got increased performance from it), then state your feelings once and leave it be. Quit bringing up the same topic every 3 months.
I'm not taking sides, but it seems that Mike has very specific knowledge of the chip and what it does (I would hope he would since he sells it), and I think he does a great job explaining this in laymen's terms so people like myself can understand the benefits. Not for a second would I buy a Superchip for an increase in mileage. If I got an increase, I would be happy, but I would not expect one because that is not what the chip is programmed for. If you want a car that gets great gas mileage, save up $1,000 and buy a early 90's Honda and drive that around. I drive my wife's Toyota Paseo when we want to get 35 mpg, and when we want to be in a comfortable truck, we drive the F-150.
I apologize for the length of this post, but I felt these things needed to be said.
-SB
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Deep Wedgewood Blue/Dark Graphite
Off Road Package
3.55 LS
Class III Towing Package
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This is so fun... 
Ok, a report in from Switzerland......
With MY specfic situation, I'm still getting about 2 MPG better comuting and from the few road trips I've made since, at least the same increase on the highway (about 17-18 now) but not enough to compare fairly. It's been hot as he11 lately (touching 100 and high humidity too) so I'm running climate control (A/C) front and rear a lot more, like 80-90% of the time. Right now the ol' overhead just dropped to 14.9 MPG Tuesday on the way to the airport. I haven't reset it for about 2500 miles or about 2 months or so. There was only one short road trip in there at the very begining, about 200 miles tops.
Here's how I drive. I drive at or above the speed of traffic and don't pay to much attention to posted speed, to a point. I'm a pretty aggressive driver. I'm in comuter traffic for close to 2 hours a day so my habit is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible.
If I'm going to be driving 50-60 MPH, when I leave a light I get to 50-60 MPH pretty dang quick; I'll just about run over most people if I can't pass and get out in front. I've seen posts regarding studies done, and I think recently BMW did one, but that heavy throttle to get up to speed is the most fuel effeciant. It's something I've always believed, even before computer control or tests. I believe it. At heavy throttle you may use a more fuel, but for a much shorter period of time before you get to cruising speed. Now with computer control, I've heard that at heavy to WOT it's no longer concerned about emmisions but performance and those differences produce more efficiant power. Who knows, but it could make sense.
So, to complete the 14.9 reference, that's from the overhead. I'm not calculating every tank, but I know that I get 450 to 500 miles from every tank and can squeeze in anywhere from 30-32 gallons of fuel each time. That's in the range of upper 14's to close to 16.
Before installing my Superchip, and of course now I also have the Airaid, Gibson Swept Side and Mobil 1 (if you buy the Mobil 1 MPG increase therory) I couldn't get any better than around 12.5 to 13.5. I thought that wasn't bad, and it is afterall what it's rated for in city driving. But now, it's so much more fun to drive, and I know what kind of MPG increase I've seen.
So what does my post do? Absolutly nothing more than add one more person's experiance to this iteration of the old MPG saga. I'm sure I'll get tickled several more times as it WILL come up again and again and I'll through in my 2 cents in, again. By the way, I'm in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, not Switzerland if you didn't get it.
Bottom line, some people see improvements on MPG, some don't. Why, who the heck knows/cares; there are too many factors. Buy the Superchip because you want to buy a PERFORMANCE chip. You've probably got a 50% chance you'll see MPG increases depending heavily on other factors as well, if you don't, who cares, you bought a performance chip, not a hybrid compact.
Side note, did you hear Ford is planning a hybrid SUV? So Mike, how do you chip an electric hybrid engine?
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Ok, a report in from Switzerland......
With MY specfic situation, I'm still getting about 2 MPG better comuting and from the few road trips I've made since, at least the same increase on the highway (about 17-18 now) but not enough to compare fairly. It's been hot as he11 lately (touching 100 and high humidity too) so I'm running climate control (A/C) front and rear a lot more, like 80-90% of the time. Right now the ol' overhead just dropped to 14.9 MPG Tuesday on the way to the airport. I haven't reset it for about 2500 miles or about 2 months or so. There was only one short road trip in there at the very begining, about 200 miles tops.
Here's how I drive. I drive at or above the speed of traffic and don't pay to much attention to posted speed, to a point. I'm a pretty aggressive driver. I'm in comuter traffic for close to 2 hours a day so my habit is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible.
If I'm going to be driving 50-60 MPH, when I leave a light I get to 50-60 MPH pretty dang quick; I'll just about run over most people if I can't pass and get out in front. I've seen posts regarding studies done, and I think recently BMW did one, but that heavy throttle to get up to speed is the most fuel effeciant. It's something I've always believed, even before computer control or tests. I believe it. At heavy throttle you may use a more fuel, but for a much shorter period of time before you get to cruising speed. Now with computer control, I've heard that at heavy to WOT it's no longer concerned about emmisions but performance and those differences produce more efficiant power. Who knows, but it could make sense.
So, to complete the 14.9 reference, that's from the overhead. I'm not calculating every tank, but I know that I get 450 to 500 miles from every tank and can squeeze in anywhere from 30-32 gallons of fuel each time. That's in the range of upper 14's to close to 16.
Before installing my Superchip, and of course now I also have the Airaid, Gibson Swept Side and Mobil 1 (if you buy the Mobil 1 MPG increase therory) I couldn't get any better than around 12.5 to 13.5. I thought that wasn't bad, and it is afterall what it's rated for in city driving. But now, it's so much more fun to drive, and I know what kind of MPG increase I've seen.
So what does my post do? Absolutly nothing more than add one more person's experiance to this iteration of the old MPG saga. I'm sure I'll get tickled several more times as it WILL come up again and again and I'll through in my 2 cents in, again. By the way, I'm in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, not Switzerland if you didn't get it.
Bottom line, some people see improvements on MPG, some don't. Why, who the heck knows/cares; there are too many factors. Buy the Superchip because you want to buy a PERFORMANCE chip. You've probably got a 50% chance you'll see MPG increases depending heavily on other factors as well, if you don't, who cares, you bought a performance chip, not a hybrid compact.
Side note, did you hear Ford is planning a hybrid SUV? So Mike, how do you chip an electric hybrid engine?
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hey rand, can you email me the MPG data you have been collecting?
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total MPG average to date 19.22
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My first Baby:
2000 SC XLT Bright Red, 4.2L
5speed
K&N air filter
3" intake mod
16" perma cool electric fan
Jacobs DIS
best 1/4 mile: 17.1 @ 81.53 MPH
total MPG average to date 19.22
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Rand,
Here is the way I see things. The chip provides more power an any given throttle setting. So in theory if you are using ½ throttle to drive at 80 mph on a flat freeway with no wind without the chip you need only use 15/32 throttle to do the same work with the chip. If you use ½ throttle with the chip you will be going 85mph. There is where the fuel savings comes in. All of this is theory but it is simple enough. Personally i do not giv a rat's *** if I get 15mpg or 12 mpg. The difference over a trip is not worth caring about. I am paying the equivilant of $1.98 US. per gallon.
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
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Here is the way I see things. The chip provides more power an any given throttle setting. So in theory if you are using ½ throttle to drive at 80 mph on a flat freeway with no wind without the chip you need only use 15/32 throttle to do the same work with the chip. If you use ½ throttle with the chip you will be going 85mph. There is where the fuel savings comes in. All of this is theory but it is simple enough. Personally i do not giv a rat's *** if I get 15mpg or 12 mpg. The difference over a trip is not worth caring about. I am paying the equivilant of $1.98 US. per gallon.
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
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00 F-150 XLT SC Flairside 4x4 4.6 w/5spd 3.55LSD
Warn XD9000i, skid plates, Draw tite class III,
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From: DOT BOMB CITY!
Sorry for the confusion.
Simply put, I saw little to no gains when using the chip for everyday driving including highway. Something like .2 MPG increase. I do notice a very nice increase in power and acceleration during normal use!
However, TOWING was a very different scenario. I saw 2-2.5 MPG increases with the chip and the affects are more noticable when accelerating or getting the load into motion (TORQUE). I felt as though I did not have to push the pedal as far to get the same effect. If that makes any sense.
If your going to do a lot of towing, I would recommend the chip. You will probably break even from the gas you save over the xtra you pay for high octane. However, the transmission might be saving you even more. You dont want sloppy shifts when towing. The stock computer firms the shift points when under loads and heavy acceleration any way. But the chip does this MUCH better!
I'd say buy the chip!
DONT BUY THE CHIP THINKING YOU WILL BREAK EVEN OR EVEN SAVE MONEY ON FUEL!!!
High octane fuel is VERY expensive and it takes a significant increase to overcome the cost basis!
Hope this helped.
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-22-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-22-2001).]
Simply put, I saw little to no gains when using the chip for everyday driving including highway. Something like .2 MPG increase. I do notice a very nice increase in power and acceleration during normal use!
However, TOWING was a very different scenario. I saw 2-2.5 MPG increases with the chip and the affects are more noticable when accelerating or getting the load into motion (TORQUE). I felt as though I did not have to push the pedal as far to get the same effect. If that makes any sense.
If your going to do a lot of towing, I would recommend the chip. You will probably break even from the gas you save over the xtra you pay for high octane. However, the transmission might be saving you even more. You dont want sloppy shifts when towing. The stock computer firms the shift points when under loads and heavy acceleration any way. But the chip does this MUCH better!
I'd say buy the chip!
DONT BUY THE CHIP THINKING YOU WILL BREAK EVEN OR EVEN SAVE MONEY ON FUEL!!!
High octane fuel is VERY expensive and it takes a significant increase to overcome the cost basis!
Hope this helped.
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-22-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-22-2001).]
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From: DOT BOMB CITY!
JMC:
Not sure we can take throttle positioning into account. I dont know all the variables. Sure you use less pedal, BUT are you using less air, more air, more, fuel?
COMMON SENSE also says that the higher the HP the MORE fuel and air!!!
There's a lot more into this thing than we see.
Not sure we can take throttle positioning into account. I dont know all the variables. Sure you use less pedal, BUT are you using less air, more air, more, fuel?
COMMON SENSE also says that the higher the HP the MORE fuel and air!!!
There's a lot more into this thing than we see.
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From: DOT BOMB CITY!
1. Mike T took this childishly and personally. Good for him!
2. Why is it that all the people who get increases are doing "accurate" calculations and the people who do LONG TERM LOGGING and show NO GAINS are inaccurate. Hhhmmmm I wonder.
3. Has ANYONE in this FREAKING world other than me heard of averages? Bueler... Bueler?
4. What difference does it make if the fuel in my area is low energy, high energy, good, crappy, exxon, or sheetz? 87 octane comes in low, high, crappy, good, black, white and SO DOES 93!!! Dont give me anymore "pump clicks" crap either!
I am a person excersising my right to free speech and using the internet as a platform to convey my opinion as a consumer. You dont like it... CHANGE THE CHANNEL!
Mike T, you made yourself look pretty bad. By answering in such a *guilty* tone!
Can we say defensive?
You might be able to sell sand in the desert. And yea I bought some, and now I'm telling it like it is. Your going to have to listen to the good AND the bad.
Isnt the Internet a wonderful thing! Consumers can FINALLY exchange information cheaply and easily. The desert ratlers HATE IT!
touche!
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-23-2001).]
2. Why is it that all the people who get increases are doing "accurate" calculations and the people who do LONG TERM LOGGING and show NO GAINS are inaccurate. Hhhmmmm I wonder.
3. Has ANYONE in this FREAKING world other than me heard of averages? Bueler... Bueler?
4. What difference does it make if the fuel in my area is low energy, high energy, good, crappy, exxon, or sheetz? 87 octane comes in low, high, crappy, good, black, white and SO DOES 93!!! Dont give me anymore "pump clicks" crap either!
I am a person excersising my right to free speech and using the internet as a platform to convey my opinion as a consumer. You dont like it... CHANGE THE CHANNEL!
Mike T, you made yourself look pretty bad. By answering in such a *guilty* tone!
Can we say defensive?
You might be able to sell sand in the desert. And yea I bought some, and now I'm telling it like it is. Your going to have to listen to the good AND the bad.
Isnt the Internet a wonderful thing! Consumers can FINALLY exchange information cheaply and easily. The desert ratlers HATE IT!
touche!
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Rand
98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)
NEVER BUY EXXON/MOBIL! ITS A CRAPPY
PRODUCT AND THEY'RE AS SLEAZY AS CLINTON!
[This message has been edited by Rand (edited 06-23-2001).]
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From: DOT BOMB CITY!
Ya know whats funny, I've said as many good things about the chip as bad. Nobody ever seems to mention that DO THEY!
Some like to use sleazy tactics and thrive on negativity to make others look bad.
Hell I dont have to do a thing... Mike does that for himself....
Some like to use sleazy tactics and thrive on negativity to make others look bad.
Hell I dont have to do a thing... Mike does that for himself....
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From: Houston, by way of every major city in America.
Hi Rand,
I was wondering where you went. I miss your MPG posts!!! Have a nice day,,,,98
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98 F-150 4.6 Litre XLT 4x2 Ext. cab
prarie tan/tan int.
Yep,it has alot of stuff installed on it,I just got sick of lugging that huge sig. around,hehe
Come and see my newest pictures@ www.my-f150.com
Everything is shown there,except for the Superchip,Thanks Mike T!!
FENDER GUITARS ROCK!!!
Now,if it only looked like this in real life
I was wondering where you went. I miss your MPG posts!!! Have a nice day,,,,98
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98 F-150 4.6 Litre XLT 4x2 Ext. cab
prarie tan/tan int.
Yep,it has alot of stuff installed on it,I just got sick of lugging that huge sig. around,hehe
Come and see my newest pictures@ www.my-f150.com
Everything is shown there,except for the Superchip,Thanks Mike T!!
FENDER GUITARS ROCK!!!
Now,if it only looked like this in real life
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From: Virginia
Hi Rand,
(yawn)
I'm working on our speach about this, tell me what you think.............
Congratulations! Rand has discovered our diabolical secret (you know, the one where we're trying to make everyone think they'll get 10 more mpg with the Superchip). We were getting away with it rather well, and had everyone tricked into ignoring the amount showing on the gas pump each and every time they filled up until Rand showed up, proved all of his claims & made his point with such undeniable clarity of thought & logic. The first 13 times Rand exposed our "secret", nobody seemed to notice, but this latest was just too full of facts for us to fend off, and so in this 14th "Rand Rant", you've finally managed to..........
I'm sorry, I just can't do this with a straight face!
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
(yawn)
I'm working on our speach about this, tell me what you think.............
Congratulations! Rand has discovered our diabolical secret (you know, the one where we're trying to make everyone think they'll get 10 more mpg with the Superchip). We were getting away with it rather well, and had everyone tricked into ignoring the amount showing on the gas pump each and every time they filled up until Rand showed up, proved all of his claims & made his point with such undeniable clarity of thought & logic. The first 13 times Rand exposed our "secret", nobody seemed to notice, but this latest was just too full of facts for us to fend off, and so in this 14th "Rand Rant", you've finally managed to..........
I'm sorry, I just can't do this with a straight face!
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
