HI!... TWEAKER : Just for your information, My tranny broke because I was producing TOO much torque for it to handle. It had nothing to do with my BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit on STAGE 5. If anything the shift kit probably prolonged my tranny from GOING OUT. By the way my tranny works perfectly fine in 1ST to 2ND gear. I wore out my overdrive band because my engine was producing too much torque at wide open throttle from 3RD gear going into 4TH. If I would of done the optional overdrive mod in the BAUMANN kit, then this would of not happened. I blame myself only for this mistake. I don't have to worry about that anymore though. I dropped my truck off at my tranny builder's shop today. My new "RACE" tranny will be done on THURSDAY. It is rated at 600FT/LBS of TORQUE and 550H.P. It's going to have a custom 2000RPM stall converter with a custom machined in torrington bearing into the steel stator. Hope this makes you and other people realize what REALLY happened to my tranny.

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ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 340H.P / 425ft/lbs of torque.

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Hey Neal,

Sorry bout that, I must of read the post at
2am or something. I would of automatically assumed that your BE shift kit could be partially
to blame here, as if you had all that ft lb torque, slamming your OD gear, then that could be the problem?
I am by no means any expert when it comes to tranny's, so I take my hat off to you and welcome your opinion.
Like I said If you have 500HP (lets say)
and 600lb tq and a shift kit slamming your gears into place, wouldnt that be extremely hard on your gears, clutches,
O rings, synch's, valve body, and, well everything?

So all in all, your torque, and the shift kit, is what I assumed killed your OD gear.

Maybe not

 

Hi Summitman,

Whether any given F-150 can spin the tires coming off the line or not depends on it's power-to-weight ratio, gearing, tires & traction conditions, along with weather. Some of these trucks are just too darned heavy to ever spin the tires off the line with anything less than a supercharger *and* a gear ratio change, as some of these F-150's top the scales at over 7000 lbs.!

There is well over 3000 lbs. of potential weight difference in the various configurations of these F-150's. There is so much variance that it is possible for some 4.2 V-6's to be able to beat some 5.4-motored F-150's.

Some of these trucks can spin the tires bone stock, and some won't spin the tires without a supercharger & a gear change, it all gets down to available power versus the load it has to overcome compared to available traction.

What needs to be remembered about this situation with "Tweaker" is that this new custom program is not going to make any more power than his previous Superchip already added, that isn't what this custom program update is for at all. It's to give him even firmer shifting in his automatic transmission over what we normally do. Not many people opt for that, but he did, and so that is what we did for him. So we're not talking about what the regular Superchip program does here in this thread, Summitman, we're talking about Tweaker's custom program for extra-firm shifting that he asked us to do for him, it doesn't apply to anything else, this is strictly about his custom program for extra-firm shifting.

The Superchip is the best bang-for-the-buck mod for these vehicles, so it's very much worth doing for those looking for better performance. If you'd like to go over this in more detail, please feel free to give us a call, we're always happy to speak with you.

And in the meantime, best of luck with your truck!

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Hi Tweaker,

It's *not* the shift kit that destroyed Neal's Overdrive band. It was a matter of too many full-throttle shifts into 4th gear at his power level, at redline rpms, & he's got an easy 420+ lbs./ft. of torque at this point.

He mentioned this as a warning to others installing the Bauman shift kit, to do what he *didn't* do, which is the part of the shift kit modification that allows more transmission fluid volume flow to the Overdrive band, to help it grip the drum. That wasn't done when that Bauman kit was installed, and consequently, after 1 too many WOT upshifts into 4th gear at redline rpms & high speeds, it finally gave out.

Neal has been kind enough to warn everyone else installing that particular kit to go ahead and do the mod to the Overdrive band fluid flow as well, as is described in that kit; it's not a problem with that shift kit itself, not at all.

Notice too that his entire transmisison didn't fail. It was simply his Overdrive band, and he's doing the smart thing, having a race-ready rebuild done on it to support the power levels he's at now, and the even high power levels he will be at in the future, once the blower goes on.

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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 05-30-2001).]

 

My chip is back in,
I tested about 50kms of driving last night
with Sonoco 94octane, and I'd like to speak
with Mike before I post my comments. I'll keep you posted Family ride and others.

Morley

 

Any update Mike since I last
spoke with you om Wednesday or Thursday?

 

Morely,

This is a matter that is between Vendor & customer in nature, so if you want to ask me something about that, you need to either call us by phone or shoot us an email. We have to abide by the F-150 Online policies that require matters between Vendor & customer be kept private between the 2 parties, & thanks for your understanding.

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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-04-2001).]

 

Tweaker,

Just curious about the custom program. I wouldn't expect to hear that your lighting them up from 1-2 and 2-3 but I curious what your *feel* is.

From Mikes post if it's not something you'd care to post, feel free to shoot me an email at kennedy-jim@home.com

I'm leaning much more towards a shift kit but I'm still curious...and very objective

Just as a side note. I've recently experemented with running with the OD off and I'm feeling firmer shifts. It's also been getting very hot lately and even with the heat, I feel great firm shifts....with the standard program. Not sure how much is in my head but, for what it's worth....

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Hi Family Ride,

If you don't mind a response from me, I can let you know some of what Morley & I are currently discussing............

His custom program did give him firmer shifting, and it was noticeable to Morley. However, he says that it's not chirping the tires on the 1-2 WOT upshift, and he wants more. So we've upped the line pressure even further in this next program, and he's sending his Superchip back in for that update. He doesn't have this second custom program yet, he's up in Canada.

In general, what we can do in the Superchip is to dial in more line pressure up to the transmission's capability to physically produce line pressure. While the Superchip takes care of numerous transmission issues that a shift kit doesn't, like removal of the delays, retards, etc., the Superchip has it's limitations too, of course. We're still going to be limited by the mechanical configuration of the transmission. We can dial in more line pressure in the program, but once we're at the limit of what the tranny can produce, if more is still desired at that point, it's time to mechanically modify the transmission (shift kit time!), to make it physically capable of generating more line pressure.

The majority of these F-150 automatics (and most computer-controlled automatics) can produce enough line pressure to allow us to make the shifts very snappy for those who want to have that, but we also do see some variances from tranny to tranny, from time to time. Some of them have a a little bit too-small orifice size in the PCS (pressure control solenoid), and when that happens, cannot flow enough fluid *volume* at the higher line pressures, so you can potentially get a slightly delayed and/or softer WOT upshift in that situation. And then some of them will have clutches that just don't grab quite as well as others, as we do see a fair amount of variance in the quality of the friction materials going into these transmissions. Not *wide* variations, but we do see some from time to time, like with anything that is mass-produced. You've probably seen us discussing all that before, so that's probably old hat for you by now.

This next custom program will determine whether Morley needs to install a shift kit or not to get his shifts as hard as he wants. So far, his transmission is responding with firmer shifts, we're not getting any delayed or softer shifts of course, so far his PCS is flowing enough fluid volume and everything is fine, it's just not chirping the tires on the full-throttle 1-2 upshift like he wants. We'll see what happens with this next program change.

It's funny, we see some (not many, just a few occasionally)of the lightest V-8 F-150 automatics lightly chirping the tires on the WOT 1-2 upshift in our standard performance program, and then in some of them, even with a custom program they won't; it all gets down to weight & power versus traction combined with vehicle to vehicle variances.

Morley can of course comment on this as well to give you his impressions directly, I just thought I'd let you know some of what we're discussing about his results so far, if that will help to satisfy some of your (quite natural) curiosity in your deliberations as to whether you are going to install a shift kit. We'll still need to see what happens with this next new program before the final results are known for his particular F-150.

I hope that helps a little bit,

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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-20-2001).]

 

FamilyRide,

Mike pretty much nailed it right on the button... So I'll have to agree with everything he said... Now I dont know how heavy your EXPY is but my F150 is probably the heavyiest one you can get.
eg:
4x4
Off Road Package
17" Rims
Supercab
Fully loaded
Sport model
etc....

Therefore, I might need a little more line pressure than most F150's out there...
So needless to say, I am presently (oh and it hurts) awaiting my chip to arive, so that I can re-test the differences.

Just on a side note, Last thursday, while taking my chip out, I was unscrewing the
battery plate, and my socket wrench slipped,
and banged my head on the edge of the open hood. I got a huge gash in my head and spent
the whole night in the hospital at the emergency..
That really really sucked...
Anyway, lesson learned.. always wear a baseball cap when taking out your chip.. LOL

I'll post my results when I get them FamilyRide...

Until then,

Ride it like you stole it!

Morley

 

Hi Morley,

Thanks for your post, but far more importantly, I hope you're OK!

Good grief, what a nasty cut it sounds like you got there, I'm sorry to hear that Morley, OUCH! Did it take many stitches, not many, I hope?!?



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Not to worry folks,
I had quite a few beers in me at that time, (thankfully)
I am A OK...

Actually they used some sort of glue,
they said that there isn't much flesh on
a persons head, so they were able to use that... What hurt more was the Tetnis shot..
I laugh about it now though


Morley

 

Hi Morley,

Well, I'm glad to hear that you can laugh about it now, I'm sure it wasn't very funny at the time. Glad to hear no stitches, I'm sure the tetanus shot hurt bad enough, the scalp is indeed very thin, & very sensitive.

By the way, your mail will have a package for you in the next week or so. I don't want to violate F-150 Online policies, so I won't say any more than that, you know what that means.

Heal fast & drive safe,

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Mike Troyer
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Woohooo

Here we go again..
Back to my front step I go..
Thanks Mike,

Talk to ya later,
Morley

 

Hi Morley,

That's right, it won't be long now!

Enjoy your weekend,

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
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Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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