moving to 4.10 gears... whats my max speed?
#1
moving to 4.10 gears... whats my max speed?
I've got 3.55 gears now, and i'm upgrading to 4.10 with limited-slip. even tho i have a superchip, mike cannot remove the top speed limiter so i'm still stuck at 96mph. so my question is: if i move to 4.10 gears what would my new top speed be???...80mph???
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
#2
Hi Talleywhacker,
Changing to 4.10 gears can lower that top speed limiter even more, as the speedometer is off; this doesn't automatically happen all the time every time, but it is a possibility.
You'll need to have your speedometer recalibrated for the 4.10 gears so you don't have that problem.
If you like, touch base with me either on the phone or in email, to remind me of who you are (I can never remember with the screen names we all use here!) and your computer code, etc. and we can check that all out to see if we can do that for you, so you'll know before you make any such change.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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Changing to 4.10 gears can lower that top speed limiter even more, as the speedometer is off; this doesn't automatically happen all the time every time, but it is a possibility.
You'll need to have your speedometer recalibrated for the 4.10 gears so you don't have that problem.
If you like, touch base with me either on the phone or in email, to remind me of who you are (I can never remember with the screen names we all use here!) and your computer code, etc. and we can check that all out to see if we can do that for you, so you'll know before you make any such change.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
#3
Thanks Mike, I'll give you a call monday.
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
#4
OK Talleywhacker, & hope you're having a great Easter!
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
#6
HI JMC,
Well, there you're talking about *part-throttle* shift points, which are determined by sophisticated algorithms based on throttle position & load versus vehicle speed, and they actually work pretty well.
To answer your question, yes, we *can*, but very rarely do. That is only done in custom programs, if there is an actual deficit, as in the case of say, really big tires & gear ratio changes, etc.
Those part-throttle upshift points are based on "sliding scales", in other words, they aren't at a set mph, but instead, there is an mph *range* that they can happen within, and it takes some carefully detailed work to change those and get a positive improvement without ever running into a situation where the vehicle stays in a gear for an inappropriate amount of time.
So yes, it *can* be done, but it's not often done, only in custom programs.
The factory program is set up so that the ECU is going to command an upshift on light throttle as soon as it determines it can upshift without actually causing the vehicle to lose velocity.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
Well, there you're talking about *part-throttle* shift points, which are determined by sophisticated algorithms based on throttle position & load versus vehicle speed, and they actually work pretty well.
To answer your question, yes, we *can*, but very rarely do. That is only done in custom programs, if there is an actual deficit, as in the case of say, really big tires & gear ratio changes, etc.
Those part-throttle upshift points are based on "sliding scales", in other words, they aren't at a set mph, but instead, there is an mph *range* that they can happen within, and it takes some carefully detailed work to change those and get a positive improvement without ever running into a situation where the vehicle stays in a gear for an inappropriate amount of time.
So yes, it *can* be done, but it's not often done, only in custom programs.
The factory program is set up so that the ECU is going to command an upshift on light throttle as soon as it determines it can upshift without actually causing the vehicle to lose velocity.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
#7
HI!... I've got 4.10 gears and my top speed is 137MPH!lol!
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NEAL " THE H.P FREAK" E-MAIL :nnewman@sympatico.ca
'99' F-150 XLT SPORT, oxford white, reg cab shortbox stepside,5.4, auto, 4.10L.S, captain's chairs, bedliner, GTS carbon fiber headlight covers, ***** CEPECK clear halogen driving lights, GTS slotted tailight covers (painted oxford white), fiberglass smooth wiper cowl (painted OXFORD WHITE), FORD locking lug nuts, tinted windows,true duel exhaust with 2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes and FLOWMASTER 3 chamber mufflers with 3' tailpipes exiting before the rear wheel like the LIGHTNING, HELLWIG rear stabalizer bar, 3 AUTOMETER guage pods, filled with tranny temp, engine temp, and oil preasure AUTOMETER "PHANTOM" guages,custom fabricated air intake trac and huge K/N filter, TPS mod, BELLTECH 2-inch rear drop, custom programed SUPERCHIP "FLIP-CHIP", BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit (on stage 5 setting)BYPASS CLUTCH CONTROL VALVE/PREASURE REGULATOR VALVE, ASP POWER PULLEYS, custom tig welded and ported JBA "JET BLACK coated headers, twin DERALE 16 INCH ELECTRIC FANS, PERMA COOL 14"/10" tranny cooler with 10" electric fan, PERMA-COOL external tranny filter, custom ported (STOCK) throttle body, custom digital air intake temp sensor, custom ported TB intake elbow, relocated ATS, FORD RACING 24LB injectors, RUSSELL stainless steel braided tranny lines with fittings.
FUTURE MODS : BBK 75MM THROTTLE BODY, 80MM PRO-M MASS AIR METER, AADI F1 RAM AIR HOOD WITH CUSTOM FABRICATED RAM AIR SET-UP, CAL-TRAC TRACTION BARS, EXTRUDE HONED INTAKE MANIFOLD, SHM CUSTOM FUEL RAILS, 90/10 FRONT CE SHOCKS, 70/30 REAR CE SHOCKS, BELL TECH 2/4 DROP, EXPEDITION CENTER CONSOLE, HARLEY DAVISON F-150 LOWER FRONT VALANCE (painted oxford white) and a KENNE BELL BLOWZILLA SUPERCHARGER.
ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 340H.P / 425ft/lbs of torque.
CURRENT PERFORMANCE : 1/4 MILE - 14.52E.T * MPH - 93.73 * 0-60MPH - 5.8 * 1/8 MILE - 9.2 * 60 FT - 2.0
OTHER TOYS : "83" PRO STREET FORD RANGER : 351-w stroked to 408c.i 625H.P (natural), 875H.P with 250H.P "BIG SHOT" N.O.S kit, tubbed (crome moly tubing), 12 point chrome moly roll cage, 4-link with coil overs, MUSTANG II front suspension, c-4 tranny (race prepped), 4000rpm stall converter(8 INCH), 3" chrome moly driveshaft,AUTOMETER guages, 16.50 MICKEY THOMPSON rear tires, 4" M/T front tires, CENTERLINE CON-VO PRO rims, fiberglass hood - bumper - prostock hood scoop, wishbone trac-link, two chrome moly driveshaft loops, 16 gallon JAZ fuel cell,etc
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NEAL " THE H.P FREAK" E-MAIL :nnewman@sympatico.ca
'99' F-150 XLT SPORT, oxford white, reg cab shortbox stepside,5.4, auto, 4.10L.S, captain's chairs, bedliner, GTS carbon fiber headlight covers, ***** CEPECK clear halogen driving lights, GTS slotted tailight covers (painted oxford white), fiberglass smooth wiper cowl (painted OXFORD WHITE), FORD locking lug nuts, tinted windows,true duel exhaust with 2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes and FLOWMASTER 3 chamber mufflers with 3' tailpipes exiting before the rear wheel like the LIGHTNING, HELLWIG rear stabalizer bar, 3 AUTOMETER guage pods, filled with tranny temp, engine temp, and oil preasure AUTOMETER "PHANTOM" guages,custom fabricated air intake trac and huge K/N filter, TPS mod, BELLTECH 2-inch rear drop, custom programed SUPERCHIP "FLIP-CHIP", BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit (on stage 5 setting)BYPASS CLUTCH CONTROL VALVE/PREASURE REGULATOR VALVE, ASP POWER PULLEYS, custom tig welded and ported JBA "JET BLACK coated headers, twin DERALE 16 INCH ELECTRIC FANS, PERMA COOL 14"/10" tranny cooler with 10" electric fan, PERMA-COOL external tranny filter, custom ported (STOCK) throttle body, custom digital air intake temp sensor, custom ported TB intake elbow, relocated ATS, FORD RACING 24LB injectors, RUSSELL stainless steel braided tranny lines with fittings.
FUTURE MODS : BBK 75MM THROTTLE BODY, 80MM PRO-M MASS AIR METER, AADI F1 RAM AIR HOOD WITH CUSTOM FABRICATED RAM AIR SET-UP, CAL-TRAC TRACTION BARS, EXTRUDE HONED INTAKE MANIFOLD, SHM CUSTOM FUEL RAILS, 90/10 FRONT CE SHOCKS, 70/30 REAR CE SHOCKS, BELL TECH 2/4 DROP, EXPEDITION CENTER CONSOLE, HARLEY DAVISON F-150 LOWER FRONT VALANCE (painted oxford white) and a KENNE BELL BLOWZILLA SUPERCHARGER.
ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 340H.P / 425ft/lbs of torque.
CURRENT PERFORMANCE : 1/4 MILE - 14.52E.T * MPH - 93.73 * 0-60MPH - 5.8 * 1/8 MILE - 9.2 * 60 FT - 2.0
OTHER TOYS : "83" PRO STREET FORD RANGER : 351-w stroked to 408c.i 625H.P (natural), 875H.P with 250H.P "BIG SHOT" N.O.S kit, tubbed (crome moly tubing), 12 point chrome moly roll cage, 4-link with coil overs, MUSTANG II front suspension, c-4 tranny (race prepped), 4000rpm stall converter(8 INCH), 3" chrome moly driveshaft,AUTOMETER guages, 16.50 MICKEY THOMPSON rear tires, 4" M/T front tires, CENTERLINE CON-VO PRO rims, fiberglass hood - bumper - prostock hood scoop, wishbone trac-link, two chrome moly driveshaft loops, 16 gallon JAZ fuel cell,etc
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#8
Neal... Your humor is welcomed ???
But I am still 96mph govorned even with the chip... i just thought that my top speed would drop even lower because of moving to 4.10's. I seen a couple of v6 mustang guys talking about how their top speed went from 115 to 95 by switching to 4.10's(i know they start out at 3.23) so it should drop mine that much but it would suck to have a max speed of 88mph!
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
But I am still 96mph govorned even with the chip... i just thought that my top speed would drop even lower because of moving to 4.10's. I seen a couple of v6 mustang guys talking about how their top speed went from 115 to 95 by switching to 4.10's(i know they start out at 3.23) so it should drop mine that much but it would suck to have a max speed of 88mph!
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
#9
#10
THANKS Bill Bateman!!!
so would this be correct:
3.55 / 4.10 = .86
so i cruise 70mph at 2100rpm so a 14% increase in rotation would put me at a cruise of 70mph with 4.10's at 2394mph???
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
so would this be correct:
3.55 / 4.10 = .86
so i cruise 70mph at 2100rpm so a 14% increase in rotation would put me at a cruise of 70mph with 4.10's at 2394mph???
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
#11
#14
Hey Bill,
Amen. I told Tallywhacker awhile back that is most of us had the power under the hoods of our vehicles that he has under the "hood" of that PC, we'd all be turning heads.
I'm using the simlar but for the Intel PIII CPU Abit VP6 board, which also has the RAID array (0,1 & 0+1) capability onboard along with dual CPU's, though I've not implemented the RAID or second CPU yet. It feels rather puny at it's lowly 933 Mhz compared to what Talleywhacker's running.
I had been using ASUS boards for years with rock-solid reliabilty and relatively few reboots under Windoze, but after several rounds with numerous examples of the newer ASUS CUSL2 boards, this Abit board is far more stable & a much better choice. Given it's onboard RAID capabilities for it's cost, in either Athlon or Intel "flavors", they both seem to be real winners.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
Amen. I told Tallywhacker awhile back that is most of us had the power under the hoods of our vehicles that he has under the "hood" of that PC, we'd all be turning heads.
I'm using the simlar but for the Intel PIII CPU Abit VP6 board, which also has the RAID array (0,1 & 0+1) capability onboard along with dual CPU's, though I've not implemented the RAID or second CPU yet. It feels rather puny at it's lowly 933 Mhz compared to what Talleywhacker's running.
I had been using ASUS boards for years with rock-solid reliabilty and relatively few reboots under Windoze, but after several rounds with numerous examples of the newer ASUS CUSL2 boards, this Abit board is far more stable & a much better choice. Given it's onboard RAID capabilities for it's cost, in either Athlon or Intel "flavors", they both seem to be real winners.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
#15
Mike... GO RAID!!! Sorta like adding a supercharger to your pc! If you do, just make sure you defrag ALOT, otherwise it's just as slow as a single good 7.2k drive.
I still have my ol' Abit BE6-II Rev. 1. It has the HPT366 controller for ATA66 but it didn't come with Raid, however, I hacked the board and reflashed the controllers bios and it has Raid capabilities
In reality I have 512mb of PC-150 ram, but I have a 128mb Ramdrive that I use strictly for your internet cache and files, as well as my TEMP files. It speeds up your internet a bit because it stores the files on your ram(which is alot faster) instead of your harddrive(which is slower than ram). But since I do that... it bumps my system memory down to 384mb.
If you'd like I can help you set a Ramdrive up(if you don't know how).
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb
I still have my ol' Abit BE6-II Rev. 1. It has the HPT366 controller for ATA66 but it didn't come with Raid, however, I hacked the board and reflashed the controllers bios and it has Raid capabilities
In reality I have 512mb of PC-150 ram, but I have a 128mb Ramdrive that I use strictly for your internet cache and files, as well as my TEMP files. It speeds up your internet a bit because it stores the files on your ram(which is alot faster) instead of your harddrive(which is slower than ram). But since I do that... it bumps my system memory down to 384mb.
If you'd like I can help you set a Ramdrive up(if you don't know how).
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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body
1/4 ... 17.221@81.35MPH
PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb