What is the deal with Black Ford paint 2004 and up?
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Originally Posted by roushstage2
No clear coat, huh? That's really odd, especially on a 2004. That would be the first I've heard of.
Are you sure it's SS? Looking clean for only 30 minutes doesn't mean no clear coat, it means you bought the biggest PITA color car in the world to take care of and keep looking clean.
Are you sure it's SS? Looking clean for only 30 minutes doesn't mean no clear coat, it means you bought the biggest PITA color car in the world to take care of and keep looking clean.
Actually when I wash it I see dust before I start to dry.
My last truck was gold and it never looked dirty. Black seems to attract dust but I think they did it intentionally for some durability issue I dont understand.
It scratches easily and either it's very thin or not there.
Where are Rolling Rock and Rock Pick?
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Originally Posted by Old Dogg™
I dont understand SS or PITA?
Actually when I wash it I see dust before I start to dry.
My last truck was gold and it never looked dirty. Black seems to attract dust but I think they did it intentionally for some durability issue I dont understand.
It scratches easily and either it's very thin or not there.
Where are Rolling Rock and Rock Pick?
Actually when I wash it I see dust before I start to dry.
My last truck was gold and it never looked dirty. Black seems to attract dust but I think they did it intentionally for some durability issue I dont understand.
It scratches easily and either it's very thin or not there.
Where are Rolling Rock and Rock Pick?
SS means Single Stage paint. If you have SS paint, when you rub something like a towel, cleaner, polish, wax, the color of the paint will come off onto the applicator pad. SS is a mix of clear coat and the color paint. SS paints require much more upkeep than modern CC/BC paints. CC/BC is a 2 stage paint on most cars now days. It is the color as one coat (BC- Base Coat), and the clear (CC- Top Coat) as another. When you work on CC/BC paints, you don't see any color because it's clear!
CC/BC paint is more durable in the sense that the color won't fade because the CC is like the protective barrier. When you have CC failure though, the paint looks like junk because the BC isn't made to be polished on, and the CC that gives it the nice shiny look (well, if it's taken care of) is gone and it needs to be repainted.
PITA- Pain in the A--.
Gold won't show dirt very well because...it's basically the same color! Black shows everything. Therefore= PITA to clean and keep clean. Black doesn't attract more dust, you just see it all.
If you are seeing dust before you dry, you need to either move somewhere else, wet the ground down so there isn't dust while you're working, or use QD while drying so you don't swirl the paint.
Ford CC/BC Black is a very thin paint. It sucks, I know. That's why I will be getting my car repainted some day.
Last edited by roushstage2; 01-14-2008 at 01:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
You can thank the EPA for your crappy paint. National laws about paint are getting out of control. Paint quality in all areas is on the fall and prices are sky rocketing to try and come up with new ways to make "green" paint.
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Originally Posted by roushstage2
Word. I *think* VOC regulations take part as well?
As it is now he drives to Arizona to buy his supplies because the laws aren't as bad there as in California
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Originally Posted by roushstage2
If you are seeing dust before you dry, you need to either move somewhere else, wet the ground down so there isn't dust while you're working, or use QD while drying so you don't swirl the paint.
Ford CC/BC Black is a very thin paint. It sucks, I know. That's why I will be getting my car repainted some day.
Ford CC/BC Black is a very thin paint. It sucks, I know. That's why I will be getting my car repainted some day.
It's been a dry last couple of years but I got a big driveway and by the time im finished it's all wet, and the yard has thick grass. Either it comes off the house and trees (none over the driveway) This SS Black has more drag and cling to it or I guess SS black just lets me see everything. I have had other black vehicles but never single stage paint. Maybe with more of a thick acrylic top layer dust blows off easier.
I have been thinking about vinyl with some creative design around the edges.
Originally Posted by Lumadar
You can thank the EPA for your crappy paint. National laws about paint are getting out of control. Paint quality in all areas is on the fall and prices are sky rocketing to try and come up with new ways to make "green" paint.
Less for more money seems to be the wave of the future.
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Originally Posted by Old Dogg™
Good info/explanation. Now I understand...Thanks.
It's been a dry last couple of years but I got a big driveway and by the time im finished it's all wet, and the yard has thick grass. Either it comes off the house and trees (none over the driveway) This SS Black has more drag and cling to it or I guess SS black just lets me see everything. I have had other black vehicles but never single stage paint. Maybe with more of a thick acrylic top layer dust blows off easier.
I have been thinking about vinyl with some creative design around the edges.
It's been a dry last couple of years but I got a big driveway and by the time im finished it's all wet, and the yard has thick grass. Either it comes off the house and trees (none over the driveway) This SS Black has more drag and cling to it or I guess SS black just lets me see everything. I have had other black vehicles but never single stage paint. Maybe with more of a thick acrylic top layer dust blows off easier.
I have been thinking about vinyl with some creative design around the edges.
Black, whether it is SS or BC/CC, will show you everything. It is the darkest color. Everything else is lighter so you will see it. Dirt, dust, pollen, other colors...
Drag usually means there is little/no wax on the surface. If there is wax on the surface, there shouldn't be too much/no drag on the paint.
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Originally Posted by azmidget91
i dont understand what the problem is?
that was back when i was washing every week maybe twice a week and wax every other week with polish every other wax
that was back when i was washing every week maybe twice a week and wax every other week with polish every other wax
Originally Posted by roushstage2
What I'm thinking though is you have BC/CC, not SS. Usually on newer vehicles, with the exception of certain Import models with certain colors, do not have SS. Not your truck. For the most part, Ford stopped using SS in the 80's. My G/F's Bronco is a 1986, it is the original Black paint, and it is BC/CC. My truck has SS because it was repainted, probably by the previous owners. SS paint is cheaper than BC/CC.
Black, whether it is SS or BC/CC, will show you everything. It is the darkest color. Everything else is lighter so you will see it. Dirt, dust, pollen, other colors...
Drag usually means there is little/no wax on the surface. If there is wax on the surface, there shouldn't be too much/no drag on the paint.
Black, whether it is SS or BC/CC, will show you everything. It is the darkest color. Everything else is lighter so you will see it. Dirt, dust, pollen, other colors...
Drag usually means there is little/no wax on the surface. If there is wax on the surface, there shouldn't be too much/no drag on the paint.
Maybe it's got to do with eye level dust on the truck and looking down on the cars and motorcycles but I dont think so...
Last edited by Old Dogg™; 01-14-2008 at 03:05 AM.
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