I was wondering what people think of Rhino Lining.

I personally have LineX and i would not use anything else.

My dad has Rhino in his F150 and it looks absolutley horrid.

Its been in there for around 4 years now, and it is falling apart everywhere. On a hot day you can actually pry the lining up with your fingernails. Maybe he just got a bad spray of Rhino or something but from his truck and 2 others i have seen, i could never recommend anyone to get Rhino over Line X

 

i've had mine for a year now, looks great, as far as holding up i mean. it is gray now, but that is just from water drying up on it. but once i get a stiff brush and some good cleaner, wah-lah! also, i've never tried the "just once" yet, but i hear it's great. and yes, i have heard on this site alot of horror stories about rhino unfortunatly. but mine is fine!

 

I do not think Rhino Linings Inc. is bad by all means. A lot of it has to do with the applicator and if the guy spraying mixed the correct ration of polyol to isocynate. That is one good thing about Line-X is that there is no mixing involved the machine does it all for you, less human involvement with the mixing process less chance for human error. A lot of people like the aesthetic looks of Line-X vs. Rhino but as for performance it is up to the consumer on how they are going to use it. As for all polyurethanes/urea’s they all fade out and get dull Rhino Linings has a tendency to produce a white chalky film this is associated with all low pressure polyurethanes. The best stuff to restore an old liner is “Black-Top,” This is a polyurethane top coat two part with cross-linker. With Black-Top you only apply it once and it will last for about 3-5 years and it will restore any polyurethane liner to new looking condition the only downside is that it cost about $50.00 but a bottle of “Just Once” cost about $14.00 and you have to apply it often and it takes almost the whole bottle every time you apply it. If you would like some more information on Black-Top or would like to buy some give me a call.



Bryan Simonson
www.line-xsandiego.com
Bryan@Line-XSanDiego.com
(619) 477-1796

 

Hey bryan, where in san dog are you located? Willie

 

Black-Top? You mean you don't like Ultrashield?

 

I have rhino liner; 4 years old now and I have beat the crap out of it. Hauling rocks, wood, sand, cement. Spilling oil and gas on it. It has stained a bit but is holding up extemely well. I like the high coefficient of friction it has because it keeps my gas cans, tool box, chainsaw, etc. from sliding around as I drive. LineX, being harder, can be better if you do a lot of rock hauling etc but things slide around a lot more. There is no right answer. Pick the product that best suits your needs. For me that is Rhino.

 

Actually, LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. Less moisture also means better adhesion. 3. Polyurea also makes for a harder liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a very nice finished and more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents.

LINE-X offers a NATIONWIDE lifetime warranty. Rhino's warranty is with the dealer that sprayed it only.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE CHOICES!

 

I agree with Truckgasm 100% that it's good to have choices. But this one quote I find a bit misleading. Having managing a Rhino Linings dealerships for almost 2 years and serving as the only sprayer for the company, I have found that Rhino doesnt really take a full minute to gel. As I am spraying the material, the first coat may take somewhere in the region of 12-15 seconds to gel to a tacky solid and that gets progressively faster as the base coat being sprayed to on succeeding coats is hotter and hotter. My liners are fully dry to the touch about 5 minutes after I conclude spraying.

I am just trying to point out yet again on this forum, that the look of your finished liner has everything to do with the person spraying it. My liners do not have that "cottage cheese" or "rainy" look. Never have. We acheive consistent and defined texture on all our trucks. And we can vary that texture to the customers specs just as easily. One again, the two products are different, do your research, look at the shop you are planning to go to beforehand, and make your decision on that basis.

Dave Wiesenhofer

 

Thanks for the info Dave! As you probably know, humidity greatly affects drying time. Down here in the south, we get a lot of moisture coming in from the Gulf of Mexico. Perhaps that's why the drying time is a little slower here.

I've seen Rhino's texture significantly vary from liner to liner. I think perhaps some dealers turn up the pressure a bit and get a more consisitant finish than others. A few times I've seen a pretty good finish, perhaps I was looking at Durabond (which uses a heat/high pressure system). Not sure, though.

Dave, I hear Rhino is working on a new system. Is it a color injection system? Is Rhino going to a polyurea/polyurethane blend like LINE-X? Come on, give us the scoop...

 

My father has Rhino in his F250. I wouldn't use it on a lawnmower. I don't know if it was the guy who applied it (total jackass) or the product itself. It looks terrible and it had to be reapplied twice under warranty. The guy that runs the place told my father not to come back anymore. He said it isn't his fault that my father doesn't like the end product. It is very low quality and you can peel up the edges in several places. Sorry, I couldn't recommend Rhino to anyone.

I had a truck with ARMA in it a few years back and I used to haul scuba tanks around. The lining used to scratch the scuba tanks. I had the vehicle on the island of Guam and there was absolutely no way to harm this stuff. I hauled everything and anything and it never lost its gloss of chipped or peeled. I WOULD recommend ARMA to anyone.

My only other choices are Line-X which is 75 miles away in DE (no sales tax). An ARMA dealer which is 255 miles away in Maryland. There is another guy in my area that is advertising something called Platinum lining. He says he is completely portable and he comes to you. He wants $200 to do a 6.5' bed. Considering that everyone else wants at least $380, I think this guy is selling a junk product.

Considering the above, I think I'm going with the Line-X. It only a 75 minute drive and no sales tax. ARMA would be my first choice but I don't want to drive 6 hours to have the product applied and then have to drive back if I have any warranty issues.

 

I had Rhino Lining in my last truck, I loved it.....held up great and looked good too. No problems.

 

“LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175” (TruckGasm)




TruckGasm,

Rhino Linings Inc. offers a product that is called “Tuff Stuff®” this is a polyurethane hybrid it contains both polyurethane & Urea. This product produces closer numbers to Line-X than the Duraspray® product that was used for about 14 years. Rhino Linings Inc. has been able to spray two different types of products the only problem is you can not tell the difference between the two. Although it is a hybrid it still has the low heat property impact, due to the fact it is cold and low pressure. This information comes to me by way of “Jay Roth” (old chemist for Rhino Linings Inc.)

 

Sorry, but you are incorrect. I have Rhino's Abbreviated Data Sheet from Rhino corporate on Tuff Stuff, Durabond (not Duraspray), and Hi-Chem. All products are 100% polyurethane. Durabond is a higher cross-linked polyurethane and Hi-Chem is even higher than Durabond. Tuff Stuff is sprayed cold/low pressure and Durabond can be sprayed with heat/high pressure. Durabond has been their "industrial product" for years. But, now some dealers are pushing it for truck beds. Durabond, not Tuff Stuff, more closely matches LINE-X numbers via the shore rating, tear resistance, and elongation.

More info from the data sheets:

Tuff Stuff:
Hardness Shore A 85-90
Tensile 1700-1900
Elongation 325-375
Flex mod 5600-6400
Abrasion resistance 10-15
Tear resistance 140-150

Durabond:
Hardness Shore D 45-50
Tensile 2100-2200
Elongation 50-80
Flex mod 2400-2800
Abrasion resistance 25-30
Tear resistance 200-250

Hi-Chem:
Hardness Shore D 70
Tensile 2460
Elongation 25-30
Abrasion resistance 53
Tear resistance not shown

BTW, you can't spray polyurea cold because it sets up too fast. That's why you have to heat it up to spray it.

 

I have had Rhino Liner in the last three trucks i've own since 1994. I wouldnt use anything else!!!! Here's my 03 Lightning with Rhino Liner in it.


Side shot of tailgate....

 

04Trucker.

I' steer clear of the Rhino. I have a buddy that has one and he's dissapointed in the "fading" over the year and a half. Maybe you just need a vendor who absoluely knows how to install the product??